Virgin set to adopt three strikes policy

well i think paying for illegal downloads is just inasine!

and the people who say torrents are **** clearly only used public trackers. private trackers, or the better private trackers carry a lot of files and max out my connection so much so that my 20mb connection can be maxed on pretty much every download. 2.3MB/s from torrents, that are free to download!

the whole thing has gotten off topic really talkin about newsgroups and torrents - the simple fact is there illegal downloads, anyone downloading from these sources KNOWS that and should then accept the consequences,

it was obvious that ISP's were going to start monitoring traffic on their lines but what i dont understand is why UK pricing is crap, UK speeds are crap and the UK is limiting the service for its TOP PAYING customers... the system is completely ****** up i tell you.

take Sweden for example, 100/100 speed for less than we pay for our 20/0.7 connection, if they are indeed going to introduce 50mb connections then they WILL be used for torrent downloading END OF

if they do want to stop illegal downloads keep everyone at the same speed 2mb - simple!

StevenG - My 2P
 
Why is it crap in the UK? 'cos of our legacy infrastructure. Why aren't BT running FTTH? 'cos it would cost them £17bn and they suspect - quite rightly I expect - that Ofcom would then force them to open access for third parties. BT accept all the financing and risk without proportional reward. Blame the regulator.

On illegals - I think the question is do we want ISPs to be like the Royal Mail - ie deliver "stuff" end of end without looking inside or do with want ISPs to open our mail police state style. First opinion should be Royal Mail style and this is what the ISPs have traditionally lobbied for (not 'cos they care about copyright laws, just 'cos they don't want the extra work!). However... we are now seeing a large proportion of the ISPs costs coming from a small number of heavy illegal downloaders - getting rid of these customers improves their business case. We are also seeing ISPs getting closer to media companies and government, quite rightly imo, wanting to prevent illegal activity where it's easy to do so.

I think times are changing - users are going to become more accountable for activity on their IP addresses and ISPs are going to be more co-operative with copyright holders.
 
aftershxck said:
How can anything be done to you for downloading pre-compiled nzb files (as mentioned earlier in this thread) ?
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Well if you're downloading those NZB files over plain HTTP (something I never do, I use HTTPS), no matter how encrypted your actual downloads are, everyone watching your traffic (or logs) can see exactly what those NZBs were pointing to.

So if you download an NZB with instructions for your leecher app to download, say, Debian GNU/Linux 4 (Etch), everyone who intercepts that NZB request will know you're intending to download Debian, even though the actual download was encrypted.

Why have a weak link in the chain when you don't have to?
 
I hope they enjoy watching my openVPN tunnel, down which all my web traffic goes to germany.
hiho :P

//TrX
 
Tombo said:
I get 2.4mB/s on my torrents all the time, screw your usenet I'm doing just fine here thanks.
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I am able to nearly max out my 16mbit connection as well....I get 1.0-1.5mb/sec on my private torrent site.

and private sites ARE more secure because they are invite only....
 
Rainmaker said:
Well if you're downloading those NZB files over plain HTTP (something I never do, I use HTTPS), no matter how encrypted your actual downloads are, everyone watching your traffic (or logs) can see exactly what those NZBs were pointing to.

So if you download an NZB with instructions for your leecher app to download, say, Debian GNU/Linux 4 (Etch), everyone who intercepts that NZB request will know you're intending to download Debian, even though the actual download was encrypted.

Why have a weak link in the chain when you don't have to?
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Hmm OK but I still unsure... I mean it's a plain file which shows my 'intent' to download something, but it's not like I'm actually downloading the file itself by downloading the .nzb file is it? Surely its the same with downloading a plain text .torrent file - it just shows intent but unless they actually monitor the traffic when you download etc (which is solved by using SSL for usenet) ...


Secondly, earlier in the thread someone mentioned that these companies could intercept the SSL certificates and decrypt the packets and so on - now I'm probably wrong but I vaguely remember from doing a cryptography module that its not as simple as intercepting the certificate in the middle :o

Regardless, guess I'll pay the extra few dollars for SSL on usenet then, along with looking into secure nzb sites :)
 
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sorry thats rubbish - SSL is built on PKI which prevents this - now I'm not saying that SSL cannot be broken but this would take a long time to derive the required keying to decrypt the packets (obviously the better the encryption the longer it would take to break)
 
SSL is very hard to crack, no company would be bothered with doing it for a simple infringement, as said here before; it's the uploaders that they will target.
 
All these people saying torrents are no where near as good as nzb either are using the wrong sites or have their clients setup completely wrong. I *always* max out my home (8mbit), work (50mbit) and hosted server (100mbit) with torrents, the key is not to use rubbish public trackers, those /are/ horrendous for speeds.
 
I would like to see a return of FTP servers on a large scale but this time SFTP (Secure FTP) making it nearly impossible to know what the traffic contains.

All I can see if the ISP's start cracking down on piracy it will just bring the whole network underground. This could well be the start of private networks and based on a trust/vetting.
 
ubern00b said:
I *always* max out my home (8mbit), work (50mbit) and hosted server (100mbit) with torrents
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You download stuff via bit torrent from your place of work? :eek:

...and you max out a 100mbit connection with traffic distributed via bit torrent...? I'd be interested to see how many connections are required to generate that sort of level. Also, just out of interest, what hosting company are you using that allows you to run torrent software on your server?
 
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