Vista or XP

Elevon · 21 Apr 2007 at 16:13

gareth170 said:
i agree

but u watch people will try to put us down...

They can try,but I'm very happy Vista gamer /user and nothing can change that,unless somebody steals my PC

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NathanE · 21 Apr 2007 at 16:14

Some of the best advantages of Vista in productivity is the revamped Explorer shell. File organisation, searching, filtering, ordering/grouping... finally an OS that doesn't treat you like a child!

Most of this just isn't visible or obvious in screenshots.

marc2003 · 21 Apr 2007 at 16:19

NathanE said:
finally an OS that doesn't treat you like a child!

i think a lot of people may disagree with you on that point.....

NathanE · 21 Apr 2007 at 16:27

I presume you're referring to the L word?

marc2003 · 21 Apr 2007 at 16:44

NathanE said:
I presume you're referring to the L word?

too cryptic for me....

i was referring to, of course, uac.

anyway i've nuked uac on my install. i've used vlite to remove it altogether. i also stripped loads more crap out like system restore, security center, windows defender, indexing and all the useless drivers i'll never need. my vista dvd is now just 900mb and it uses 5gb of disk space on a clean install.

vlite is bound to get mis-used though. i did see the option to disable superfetch and i'm sure people will use this to free up their ram. :rolleyes:

NathanE · 21 Apr 2007 at 16:53

IMO disabling UAC is a mis-use of vLite as well. Did you not see the recent thread on this?

Most people become frustrated with UAC because they don't understand it. Take a little time to understand it and then you can tweak it to not annoy you at all. Google for "TweakUAC"... this lets you suppress the courtesy UAC prompts when logged into an Administrator account.

marc2003 · 21 Apr 2007 at 17:20

NathanE said:
IMO disabling UAC is a mis-use of vLite as well. Did you not see the recent thread on this?

Most people become frustrated with UAC because they don't understand it. Take a little time to understand it and then you can tweak it to not annoy you at all. Google for "TweakUAC"... this lets you suppress the courtesy UAC prompts when logged into an Administrator account.

care to elaborate on tweaking it? is this just using "tweakuac" or are there other tweaks as well?

imho, it's no better than an overzealous outgoing firewall or dodgy activex controls on websites. you get bombarded with so many prompts, that eventually people will click yes without even reading the prompts. it's just useless.

i've managed for years now with nothing like it on xp, no active firewall, no av, no realtime spyware protection and i'm doing ok. *touches wood*

csmager · 21 Apr 2007 at 17:24

marc2003 said:
care to elaborate on tweaking it? is this just using "tweakuac" or are there other tweaks as well?

imho, it's no better than an overzealous outgoing firewall or dodgy activex controls on websites. you get bombarded with so many prompts, that eventually people will click yes without even reading the prompts. it's just useless.

TweakUAC can turn off the prompts for adminstrators, as was said. Surprisingly, it does still offer a layer of security even if you click 'Yes' to all the prompts: All programs run as Standard User (unless specified otherwise), and you still get protected mode IE.

NathanE · 21 Apr 2007 at 17:25

Yes but turning off UAC completely disables a ton of other protection that wasn't bothering you in the first place.

From what you've wrote it sounds like you'd do better running UAC with the Administrator courtesy mode turned off. The TweakUAC tool calls this "silent mode". Basically it means UAC won't annoy you at all when logged into an Administrator account. But its other inherent protection will still be in full force.

There are many other tweaks that can be made in the Regsitry but the TweakUAC tool currently only offers the 'big one'.

Recommended reading: http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17717195

PS: I've managed for years as well without any of this protection stuff. But UAC is a bit more far reaching than this. It is a genuinely useful feature. In previous versions of Windows it was a pain in the arse to run something with elevated permissions - but now Vista makes it very easy indeed. UAC accounts for around 20% of the price tag on Vista so it seems crazy to just turn it off when you've not even given it a real chance.

marc2003 · 21 Apr 2007 at 18:01

meh. i still don't see how it's going to benefit me. i really don't.

like most people, i was a bit narked when i first installed vista to see how much ram it was using. but then after reading a few of your posts about superfetch and how unused ram is wasted ram, that makes perfect sense and now i can see how it benefits me. applications, especially .net apps load much faster...... but uac, i'm really struggling here....

NathanE · 21 Apr 2007 at 18:13

Shrug

I suspect people won't start appreciated UAC until the first security advisories arrive (and it won't be long) that say something like "Vista with UAC enabled is not affected."

marc2003 · 21 Apr 2007 at 18:17

NathanE said:
Shrug

I suspect people won't start appreciated UAC until the first security advisories arrive (and it won't be long) that say something like "Vista with UAC enabled is not affected."

you must have downloaded dozens if not hundreds of updates for flaws in xp and not been affected by a single one of them.

NathanE · 21 Apr 2007 at 18:19

Yup but that's because I install them... If I didn't then it wouldn't be long before one of the holes was exploited.

So you don't install patches neither? :/

marc2003 · 21 Apr 2007 at 18:23

NathanE said:
So you don't install patches neither? :/

of course i install all the updates. :eek:

my point was that you were vulnerable before you installed the updates but i'm guessing you weren't affected by a single one of them.

Things change I've changed · 21 Apr 2007 at 18:28

NathanE said:
IMO disabling UAC is a mis-use of vLite as well. Did you not see the recent thread on this?

Most people become frustrated with UAC because they don't understand it. Take a little time to understand it and then you can tweak it to not annoy you at all. Google for "TweakUAC"... this lets you suppress the courtesy UAC prompts when logged into an Administrator account.

I think you under estimate people, it's not that we don't understand the UAC, it's just most people like my self find it sooooooo annoying, why should I be happy to accept the UAC asking me questions left right and centre when I don't need it, I have had XP running for years now and not once since SP2 have I ever been infected with a virus, there are plenty of better free thirdparty applications out there that do a better job that I use with XP, I have used Vista for 3 months on my secoundry system and personaly it gives me NOTHING over XP, it's sluggish, I hate the theme, it runs games like a dog, it's hardly compatible with any of my thirdparty utilitys,

look at it this way when I boot my XP every utlity I use is thirdparty (mainly all free), I don't even use IE unless I'm forced too, I prefer Operah, I never use search, I know where all my files are, I prefer to defrag my drives when I see fit, not the computer,

I'm aware that Vista has extra features but what use are they if you don't use them ?

you tell me what does vista gives 'ME' personaly, tell me why I should move away from a rock solid operating system that runs all my software perfectly and has a stunning macosx theme ?

NathanE · 21 Apr 2007 at 18:29

Yeah but only because it's pretty rare for a vulnerability to be exploited before it's patched... and when it does happen Microsoft tend to rush the patch out anyway.

NathanE · 21 Apr 2007 at 18:34

lowrider007 said:
I think you under estimate people, it's not that we don't understand the UAC, it's just most people like my self find it sooooooo annoying, why should I be happy to accept the UAC asking me questions left right and centre when I don't need it,

OK and have you tried TweakUAC?

I have had XP running for years now and not once since SP2 have I ever been infected with a virus, there are plenty of better free thirdparty applications out there that do a better job that I use with XP,

There are third party utilities that provide UAC on XP? I doubt that

I have used Vista for 3 months on my secoundry screen and personaly it gives me NOTHING over XP, it's sluggish, I hate the theme, it runs games like a dog, it's hardly compatible with any of my thirdparty utilitys,

Cool :~)

look at it this way when I boot my XP every utlity I use is thirdparty (mainly al free), I don't even use IE unless I'm forced too, I prefer Operah, I never use search, I know where all my files are, I prefer to defrag my drives when I see fit, not the computer,

That's cool and all but not everyone has such a simple life

I'm aware that Vista has extra features but what use are they if you don't use them ?

Totally agree. I just can't understand why people buy Vista and then, almost immediately, turn off all the new functionality it came with...

you tell me what does vista give 'ME' personaly, tell me why I should move away from a rock solid operating system that runs all my software perfectly and has a stunning macosx theme ?

Why should I? :confused:

I don't know what you use your PC for, how you use it etc... Only you can decide whether Vista will benefit you.

Things change I've changed · 21 Apr 2007 at 19:00

NathanE said:
OK and have you tried TweakUAC?

nope, I'll look into it if I should ever want to install a less comptible OS again.

There are third party utilities that provide UAC on XP? I doubt that

No, I did'nt say that there was, why would I want I thirdparty app that does something I don't want, I mean a third party fire wall application, antivirus/spyware etc, that's all you really need and until Im proven otherwise that's what I'm sticking with.

Cool :~)

it's cool that Vista is sluggish and is'nt compitable with many of my thirdparty apps, :confused:

, but I thought Vista was so good ?

That's cool and all but not everyone has such a simple life

lol

, thats funny, I would have thought it the other way around tbh, for someone that just relys on using the built in features of Vista I think that is a very simple way of life really, I use many thirdparty apps for networking/ftp file sever hosting/music pruduction/photography, I use my pc for a very broad spectrum of activitys I just don't need anything that is built into XP/Vista, whats is paramount for me is stability, and that is what I have, once you tweek the XP services you have a system that will run like a rock.

Totally agree. I just can't understand why people buy Vista and then, almost immediately, turn off all the new functionality it came with...

We know why they do it, b-cos it annoys them, most have upgraded from XP that does'nt churn your hard drive for 24/7, does'nt ask you everything under the sun and they never had any problems so I presume they think that if they was allright on XP without these features then why should'nt they be allright on Vista without them.

Why should I? I don't know what you use your PC for, how you use it etc... Only you can decide whether Vista will benefit you.

Agreed, it's just that you find people that think Vista is the holy gral and everyone should upgrade to it, but I think for the average person it does'nt other hardy no benfits over XP.

NathanE · 21 Apr 2007 at 19:28

I said "Cool :~)" because it's your opinion and it would be futile to argue with it

but I thought Vista was so good ?

I see where you're trying to take this but I ain't biting mate

Like what happened when XP SP2 came out... it will be interesting to watch the opinions of people here change over the coming years

Rebelius · 21 Apr 2007 at 19:40

how can computing ever really advance if we keep hanging on to backwards compatability?

If vista has changed in ways you don't like, then don't buy it, don't use it and stop moaning.

Some people like change.