Vista Prices on UK Pre-order here

Ok, last question...

If full blown MS Office is "compulsory" for your education, (and I'd love to know why either Star Office or MS Works + Access, isn't good enough, I'm asuming you need Access for a very specific reason). How are you managing to receive you education right now if you can't afford to buy office student edition, and can't get your education without it?

Or am i missing something?
 
There isn't anywhere near enough time in school to get the work done and the teachers are BAD it's pretty much self taught from oracles website and some other access books.
 
Energize said:
Actually there are lots of students who need microsoft software for their courses but cant afford it, piracy is always going to be a problem for scum monopolies like Microsoft because they price their products way too high for their target market to afford.
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No real point answering this one as some nice people have pointed out the facts.
The first one being you do not need Vista.
You certainly don't need Vista for your education.
I question your need for MS Office as surely work for school can be printed off so it doesn't matter what you've used to create it.
Office is nice and cheap for students nad many educational places have the OS for a discount too.
If you already own Office 2003 then you do not need Office 2007.

Looks more like a typical case of I want Vista Ultimate and Office 2007, I cannot afford Vista Ultimate and Office 2007 in which case I'm entitled to a free copy and the right to have a go at Microsoft.

You're in education - you've made that point quite clear.
Your description of "Scum Monopolies" like Microsoft.
Can you explain why this scum monopoly hasn't actually raised the price of Windows since the release of Win95?
If you look at the pricing of Win95, Win98, WinME & WinXP Home they have all been the same price (inflation making them slightly more expensive, but in real terms the same).
Not really the action of a monopoly?
 
Jimbo said:
Well as im obviously loser / scum / thief... lol

Listen buddy at the mo I'm using 2.. not 1 but 2 genuine licenses of XP Home edition, all nice and paid for out of my own pocket.

This is not to say I havent in the past owned a dodgy copy of windows, I think probablly the majority of people on here either have or know somone who has.

For you to go on a rant how they are the scum of the earth... all i can say is you wanna start living in the real world. :rolleyes:
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I do live in the real world.
It is those people who don't feel that they have to buy software that don't.
You see, as somebody who has three PC's in the house I have a lot more licensing to buy then many.
I've got my main machine, my fiancee's machine and our laptop.
I don't include my Linux box as the majority of things on there are free.
So that means I've got three machines that need OS licenses, Office licenses, Antivirus licenses....

Of course I do get some discounts along the way.
My fiancee is a teacher, so she buys the teacher/student edition of Office and that is all 3 machines covered.
OS wise, well I'm on the official Microsoft beta team and since Windows 95 as I finish beta testing an OS I'm usually sent a free copy.
That keeps my main machine up to date as the version I'm given is a Retail Upgrade.
I don't know which (if any) version of Vista I'll get.
If it's Ultimate I'll use it on my machine again, if it is anything lower I'll use it on my fiancee's machine and buy Ultimate for myself.
The laptop will probably continue to run WinXP.

I've bought three copies of WinZip, two copies of WinRAR.
Recently I bought a 3 machine license for 3 years of NOD32.

I live in the real world where I understand that the world doesn't owe me a living and if I want some new software I have to go out and buy it.
If I cannot afford to buy it then I either have to wait until I can or I don't get it - it's all very simple.
I get married in two weeks time so a vast amount of my money is going on wedding plans.
When Core Duo was released I wanted one.
I diverted some funds around and purchased - if however I'd been unable to do so I wouldn't have walked into my local PC store and walked out with a Core Duo CPU without paying for it.

Come back in a few years when you're actually a functioning part of society, paying your taxes etc and then ask about being in the real world.
 
I am amazed at how cheap some of you are coming across.

You will pay £450 a year on keeping your graphics card up to date, you will pay £400 a year on a CPU, you will pay £20 a month for internet access...

I purchased XP Pro Retail for £300 when it came out, I have used it every day since 2001. Now, that has survived three whole computer changes for me perfectly fine.

That is AWSOME value for money, I mean seriously it is about the best buy you can have in the computing world due to what can run with it.

Vista Ultimate is not a required upgrade, Microsoft are not forcing you to upgrade to it.

The OEM will probably be about £180 by my guesstimate, and go down slowly over time.

All you people who are complaining about the cost of the OS need to wake up, you can pay £30 for a game which receives one hell of a lot less use than the OS, and its 1/10th the price.

Yes I will be BUYING my copy of Vista Ultimate for trouble free computing for the next half decade, and I am quite sure it will be a very cheap purchase when you work it out at the cost per day, 20p or less if I use it on a server in 2010 or something. :)
 
Yes but ms are not exactly short of a bob or two, surely the amount of profit they make is unreasonable.
Also with the release of dx10, they are manipulating the market to push people into purchasing vista, if i could get dx10 some other way, i probably wouldnt bother with vista unless it was dead cheap.

As i need dx10 and mce, i have to by ultimate, i have no choice.
 
Yewen said:
I am amazed at how cheap some of you are coming across.

You will pay £450 a year on keeping your graphics card up to date, you will pay £400 a year on a CPU, you will pay £20 a month for internet access...

I purchased XP Pro Retail for £300 when it came out, I have used it every day since 2001. Now, that has survived three whole computer changes for me perfectly fine.

That is AWSOME value for money, I mean seriously it is about the best buy you can have in the computing world due to what can run with it.

Vista Ultimate is not a required upgrade, Microsoft are not forcing you to upgrade to it.

The OEM will probably be about £180 by my guesstimate, and go down slowly over time.

All you people who are complaining about the cost of the OS need to wake up, you can pay £30 for a game which receives one hell of a lot less use than the OS, and its 1/10th the price.

Yes I will be BUYING my copy of Vista Ultimate for trouble free computing for the next half decade, and I am quite sure it will be a very cheap purchase when you work it out at the cost per day, 20p or less if I use it on a server in 2010 or something. :)
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But don't ignore the fact as well that most people use MS Windows, compared to Linux, etc. So most people have to buy this. Not everyone has to buy top-of-range PC hardware, there are cheaper options. But with an OS you don't really have that choice, yes there are the basic versions but they are still pricey. So MS must be / will be making a lot of money from this. Think of how many millions and millions of people around the world will be using it. :)

I hear what your saying about how it lasts a long time though but to me it's pricey. I'll be waiting for the price to drop before jumping in. :)
 
stoofa said:
No real point answering this one as some nice people have pointed out the facts.
The first one being you do not need Vista.
You certainly don't need Vista for your education.
I question your need for MS Office as surely work for school can be printed off so it doesn't matter what you've used to create it.
Office is nice and cheap for students nad many educational places have the OS for a discount too.
If you already own Office 2003 then you do not need Office 2007.

Looks more like a typical case of I want Vista Ultimate and Office 2007, I cannot afford Vista Ultimate and Office 2007 in which case I'm entitled to a free copy and the right to have a go at Microsoft.

You're in education - you've made that point quite clear.
Your description of "Scum Monopolies" like Microsoft.
Can you explain why this scum monopoly hasn't actually raised the price of Windows since the release of Win95?
If you look at the pricing of Win95, Win98, WinME & WinXP Home they have all been the same price (inflation making them slightly more expensive, but in real terms the same).
Not really the action of a monopoly?
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I never said I needed vista, I need office, I don't own office 2003. The work that I'm talking about is making an access database that needs to be functioning and seen by the teachers because I need to demonstrate access skills so no It can't be printed off, while there are discounts on offce and an access upgrade, to get both it costs over £150.
 
I currently have a Legit version of Windows XP Home but its the Dell edition i take it all i need is the upgrade edition of vista when it comes out? or would i need the Dell upgrade version?
 
For DX10 & MCE all you need is home premium, to be honest I can't imagine why anyone would need Ultimate at home. I would imagine if you have a Dell XP version all you will need will be an upgrade (or an OEM version of Vista I guess). My guess is still Vista Home Premium Upgrade will be about £120-130ish with the OEM version at about £90.

Given Vista like for like seems to be roughly the same price as XP I still can't get to grips with the "OMGODZORs M$ sucks" posts /shrug

If you have a low end machine and only basic requirements then there is Home basic which is substantialy cheaper but fine for surfing/email/home accouts/letters/schoolwork etc.

Given you're likely to use the OS for 3 - 5 years at the very least I still reckon that's good value for money compared to your average hardware spend over the same period.
 
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Look assuming the upgrade prices are US dollars divided by about 2 for the exchange rate then add 20-25% for tax and shiz (look at x360 HD-DVD pricing to see the US to Pounds conversion these days: $200 -> £100ish + 25% = £130) then we get around £100 for Home premium upgrade (which we can all get as we build our own PCs so have legit versions of XP discs) and £150 for the ultimate gamer edition.

That is for an OS for the next 3-5 years guys, with free service packs, monthly updates and fixes just like XP. The only ones who should complain are the poor suckers who need Office 2007 - now that is expensive.

The feature set for Vista is awesome with the enhanced thumbnails, 3d alt-tabbing, better file organisation and searching, support for the multi core, large RAM, expensive GPU systems we all build for gaming.

http://www.informit.com/articles/article.asp?p=600988&seqNum=1&rl=1

It will be nice to actually have an OS designed for a PC that doesn't suck ass, and put all that hardware to good use - making your PC more fun to use when you aren't actually gaming.

You also get DX10 for Crysis which looks like the only reason to stick with PC gaming at the minute [flamed :eek: ] And Microsoft are trying to standardise and make PC gaming easier with better quality features with Games for Windows and Vista's game-hardware comparision that lets n00bs know whether the game will run ok on their system.

You could stick with XP - nothing wrong with it, unless you really love the Vista features and think they are worth it in which case you have to pay for all that stuff.

Sorry :)
 
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JellyBead999

I agree. It should be like a TV license. You buy Vista, and can install it on as many machines are in your house.

However, how do MS know if a machine is in your house or not. Also, can you imagine paying MS every year to renew your PC license. Im sure they would love to go down this route.

Im glad they are not, but im sure this is the way of the future. (ie, when parts of your OS are held remotely on the internet....)

cymatty

Mate, no need for the massive font size, it doesnt make your point any more valid. As its already been said an OEM copy isnt always the most cost affective if your planning to upgrade your motherboard before the next version of windows is due out.

Stoofa

I have always been in the opinion that Windows got where it is today mainly because of the pirated copies of Windows. Its certainly not harmed microsoft in the slightest, and I dont think there will be many MS staff starving tonight. I would say opportunist's rather than loser scum theives.

Yewen

Your making assumptions there matey. I paid less than £100 for my graphics card. And I didnt update it for 3 years. Likewise my CPU. In fact my current rig cost less then the ulimate version of Vista. Go figure that one.

Finally

Unless Bill gates decides he has had enough saving the world and kicks down your door with a view to kill you if you dont buy vista, no-one is forcing you to pay ANYTHING for Vista. Just because there are speculative prices being bounded about you are not required to purchase Vista. Your not going to get arrested. You will still wake up in your own bed. You will still get hungry, and life will go on. And, btw, your life isnt going to be any less wonderful because your still running XP and not Vista. Despite what the marketing people at microsoft have told you.
 
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Why am I getting the impression that everyone feels as though they have to upgrade?

Windows XP is fine for me and will be probably for another year or so.
 
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