Vista, Vista, Vista, Vista, Vista and Vista

Well I am going to be using XP for a while yet, mainly becuase i just bought a retail version so don't want to be wasting any more money :D

I like some of the features that are mentioned, I especially like the look of the HDD explorer thing on EVO's pic as i am always doing a show properties to see how full me HDD's are.

Don't like the fact it takes up so much to install, seen 10GB somewhere :( Have to redo my Raptor partitions if thats the case.

I just hope that it doesn't cost a lot, as i got the retail XP for 100 quid, now if vista Ultimate is around 150 then fair does i will eventually upgrade, anymore and no way.
 
AFK_Matrix said:
I just hope that it doesn't cost a lot, as i got the retail XP for 100 quid, now if vista Ultimate is around 150 then fair does i will eventually upgrade, anymore and no way.
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Full install XP Home Edition is, currently, about £150 and Pro is £230 (that was a quick shifty at an online store).

I can see Ultimate being £250 min.

I remember paying £255 for NT 4 Workstation... and still have it! Couldn't bring myself to part with it! :)
 
Le Samourai said:
Full install XP Home Edition is, currently, about £150 and Pro is £230 (that was a quick shifty at an online store).

I can see Ultimate being £250 min.

I remember paying £255 for NT 4 Workstation... and still have it! Couldn't bring myself to part with it! :)
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But who doesn't have a previous OS to upgrade from?
On my main PC all of my OS's have been bought based on the very first OS it "shipped with".
I got my OEM copy of DOS 5 & Windows 3.
I purchased the retail upgrade to Win95, then retail upgrade to Win98.
I then purchased the retail Win98 - Windows 2000 upgrade and finally the retail Windows 2000 to XP Professional.

This still makes me 100% legal on my main system (as I don't use any of the OS's I upgrade from on other PC's).
Ever since the Win95 Upgrade I've been able to use the Upgrade CD's to do full installs on a machine (just insert previous OS CD/Floppy when prompted to do so).
The prices you're looking at are for a machine with no OS to upgrade from.
 
stoofa said:
The prices you're looking at are for a machine with no OS to upgrade from.
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Just curious... can you upgrade from an OEM install?

I'm sure quite a few people here have that version... that includes me. ;)
 
is vista 64-bit, if it isnt it aint much of a change no?
On that link it says no of physical cpu supported: 1 for the Home premium o/s doe sthis mean no dual core or just no dual cpu?
also does XP migration mena that if i bought vista on release and install it, i can keep my files and programs from xp?
 
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Caged said:
Yeah why not? Then everyone with their Dells...
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Well put! :)

Actually, now that I think about it.. could there potentially be a problem if you want to do a clean install (rather than upgrade over the current OS) and the Vista setup asks for a qualifying product.

Perhaps the OEM disc might not qualify as a full licence?

Just a thought.
 
Eliot said:
is vista 64-bit, if it isnt it aint much of a change no?
On that link it says no of physical cpu supported: 1 for the Home premium o/s doe sthis mean no dual core or just no dual cpu?
also does XP migration mena that if i bought vista on release and install it, i can keep my files and programs from xp?
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There is a 64-bit edition yes.

A dual core CPU is 1 (uno, one) physical CPU. Therefore that edition can support a dual core CPU just fine.

You're correct about XP migration, however personally I wouldn't advise doing it. With a new OS such as this it's much better to just format and reinstall. Obviously backup your data beforehand...
 
Ah ok, kinda of topic but kinda not, but can anyone recommend a external hdd of about 80gb-100gb in size, what can i expect to pay.
 
big brother. theres good and bad things about that, even tho it probly aint true... think of all the things that would have been prevented.
 
Slam62 said:
dont mention oem to me, apparantly its very bad
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It's designed for PC shops to build a PC with software on it, it's not really designed for what a lot of people (including myself) use it for which is to get a legal copy of Windows as cheaply as possible and then windge when they (and me) upgrade the PC. If in doubt by retail IMHO :p
 
yes but its every consumers duty to get as much as poss for their money.

just as its every companies mission to sell their product for as much as possible, hence zillions of vistas (also to placate the eu and doj)

The thing is, vista is going to be great (for ms), the big question is does one go straight to the 64bit version and how likely is it that my hardware is going to work (thinking of dvb-t cards) ;)
 
NathanE said:
It would take years on a standard PC to brute force, yes. But that government agency has the largest supercomputer in Europe, hence only a matter of days.
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Your wrong about that imo. Most crypto is broken from weaknesses in the algorithm not by brute force. If you do the maths some crypto would take a stupidly long time to bruteforce even with all the computer power in the world. See skipjack for an example of a goverment(NSA) backdoor...

To me it looks like Ross Anderson was realy making a smart play...

"Hey Mr. Government while you're asking me about terrorist suspects you might want to note that this new TPM / DRM stuff coming real soon from MS/**AA now will make it virtually impossible for you to get info off suspects' PCs. Oh, and the PCs are setup that way by default so no chance of using that fact against suspect. Also, you know that law you fought so hard for where you can jail people for not handing over encryption keys ? - well with this new stuff the key's in hardware and the suspect never has it. If you're worried by this, then maybe you should speak to these guys about crippling the tech..."

Aim big nasty government machine at big nasty corporate machine, stand well back.
 
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