VISTA - You have a 64bit CPU - But do you get 32bit OS for compability?

BillytheImpaler said:
According to the license you can install one copy of it on one machine at a time. If you wipe machine A and install on machine B it will wortk just fine.
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No - you are incorrect.
If you purchase an OEM license it is good for the original machine it is installed on ONLY.
The license agreement does tell you this.

Despite what you can physically do, what you can legally do are two entirely different things.
 
stickroad said:
Ok everyones saying about the OEM version that you cant move it between machines.

Let me get this straight if you install it on one machine then try and install it on another will the code be deactivated or are you guys saying it cant be moved between machines because its illegal but very much do able?
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You cannot talk about warez or other illegal activities on these forums.
The OEM license is good for the original machine it is installed on only.
The license will die with the machine - this is why the Retail version exists, so that you can transfer it from machine to machine.
 
so if I buy Vista OEM next week....and install it on my machine. When I upgrade my machine in a years time (and still only have 1 machine) I cannot install the same copy of Vista again with the same liscence key?
What happens if I want to do a re-install of Vista...can I use the OEM version and liscence key again?
 
1dmf said:
there is no way I would buy another copy, it's criminal to even concider it!

If you bought any other software or a game, if you changed PC and they said you couldn't play the game unless you bought another copy , what would you say!
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I would complain because the license agreement for the other software or game did not tell me that the software/game could only be installed on one machine.
However if the license agreementhad told me before hand then I would have nothing to complain about.
The license agreement can be read before you agree to it - if you can't agree to it then you should cease installation and return your software for a full refund.

The only thing "criminal" will be you breaking the license agreement.
 
You cannot use unsigned drivers on x64 at all. I tried with the Creative Audigy 2 drivers and they won't work. Same with things like Starforce. I can't play Prince of Persia: Two Thrones on Vista x64 because the Starforce drivers are unsigned (works on XP x64 though).

And this OEM thing - the licence is attributed to the motherboard, not the computer itself. So if you change motherboard or even if your motherboard croaks it and you buy the same mobo again, you still need to purchase another licence. That's how it works on the server OEM side of things. Whether it's the same for PCs, I dunno.
 
even if your motherboard croaks it and you buy the same mobo again, you still need to purchase another licence.
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this is outrageous , at the end of the day it's a piece of software and if you purchase it you should have the right to use it.

It's like the disclaimers saying 'we take no responsability for loss or damage etc.. '-> rubbish, if you sell me something stating it does something and it does not, but instead damages my system, under the sale of goods act they are liable as they have sold something not fit for the purpose it was sold.

not fit for the purpose it was sold is basic consumer protection and no-one has the right to take this away, if my mate wrote me a letter saying I could kill him, does that mean the police couldn't prosecute me because I have a signed contract waiving his rights, err I don't think so!

If companies such as MS had fair agreements with a fair price tag, people would not quible and would be all for prosecuting those who break the rules, but policies like this just incite software piracy, they take no responsibility for their products, produce ridiculous licencing rules and then wonder why so many ignore them!
 
1dmf said:
this is outrageous , at the end of the day it's a piece of software and if you purchase it you should have the right to use it.
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Ic1male is incorrect; if you get a replacement motherboard through warranty then you are not breaking the EULA and are legal, it doesn’t even necessarily have to be the same motherboard if the old motherboard went out of production and could no longer be replaced. Replacing the motherboard to “upgrade” however, would be breach of the licence agreement

Also, you are not buying a piece of software at all none of the software you “buy” you actually own, you are buying a licence to use a piece of software and in doing so, have to agree to the terms and conditions and play by their rules, if you don’t like it don’t use the piece of software.
 
Replacing the motherboard to “upgrade” however, would be breach of the licence agreement
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and how about I feel like changing my Mobo because i think the one I have is rubbish and go for a cheaper - lesser model, that's a downgrade right, then what!

The rule is stupid , period!

but then again so am I :D
 
Thanks all.

To be honest.. im still no close to deciding.. Im loathed to buy the 32bit now only to have to buy the 64bit in 2 years time.

SURVEY TIME ME THINKS.

1. Is there ANY way of getting unsigned drivers to run on Vista x64?
2. Will HAVING to get drivers signed deter some manufacturers from releasing 64bit Vista drivers?
3. How many years before 64bit REALLY takes off?
4. Will 64bit Vista be in ready supply from manufacturers come March or will it be ignored by them and deemed a gimmick?
 
1. Yes there is but it's only for developers. More importantly, why would you want to disable driver signing? Just wait for proper drivers, trust me they are coming.

2. No, unless they want to be bankrupt in a years time. 32-bit's phasing out will begin almost immediately after Vista is launched. I'm aware that Nvidia fairly recently made comments to the contrary but what do you expect them to say when ATI is so much further ahead with their Vista drivers (for both x64 and x32...)

3. 1 year or less.

4. It'll start off in the high end first, driven by professionals and gamers, then it'll filter down. I expect some of the big OEMs will be the first jump on as they often provide their own bespoke/customised drivers for almost all the hardware anyway.
 
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Get 32-bit, i've got a mate who I helped install the 64-bit version and he's had nothing but trouble with a lack of drivers and unsigned ones. To be honest it's not worth the hassle.

Speedfan is having trouble getting signed for 64-bit for example.

http://www.speedfanblog.com/
 
What if you are forced to upgrade because your motherboard broke down and a replacement wasn't avaliable.

I am on socket 939 now when that breaks down in a years time , theres no way motherboards will be avaliable then, so i may need to do a full system upgrade, many people who are on Socket A, 754 or 478 will also be needing upgrades if their pcs break down in the future. What is MS's take on this?

sid
 
Legaly i think you can upgrade every component in your system except the motherboard, but, you can replace the motherboard if it goes bad, as far as i know if the motherboard that goes bad isn't available for purchase anymore then you can replace it for another brand/model and still be legal, at least that's what i thought.
 
64bit vista i still stay away at this time you have less gaming problems and other driver related problems and the only usefull part of 64bit is mostly more then 3.2-3.5gb ram supported

M$ have to alow the OEM to actervate it if not you get to talk to india and its sorted out in 5 mins after you get the code
all you say the mobo was replaced or somthing els was that broke and thats the end of it do not know why users are getting worked up by it as its the same agreement ish as XP

we allso have an thread in here about Vista OEM so if you want to keep it going better going in there
 
I was all set for Ultimate x64, but after reading about driver signing and problems with games/apps, i dunno now. :rolleyes:

Might just buy the x32 version... nightmare.

Cant see why the greedy gets, dont just stick em both on the dvd. I know they do on the retail version, but charge £300... swines. :mad:
 
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Jimbo said:
I was all set for Ultimate x64, but after reading about driver signing and problems with games/apps, i dunno now. :rolleyes:

Might just buy the x32 version... nightmare.

Cant see why the greedy gets, dont just stick em both on the dvd. I know they do on the retail version, but charge £300... swines. :mad:
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same here...i was just about to order the home premium package in 64bit....just changed my mind.:confused: It seems sortof stupid to order and pay for the 32bit edition when I have been using 64bit hardware for at least 2 years!!!
 
1dmf said:
and how about I feel like changing my Mobo because i think the one I have is rubbish and go for a cheaper - lesser model, that's a downgrade right, then what!

The rule is stupid , period!

but then again so am I :D
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the wording of the license agreement is that the license will be void unless the motherboard is faulty and has been replaced under a warranty claim

so it doesnt matter what you swap it for, unless that board has been given to you in exchange for the one the license was tied to, then your license to use the software will be void.
 
MrLOL said:
the wording of the license agreement is that the license will be void unless the motherboard is faulty and has been replaced under a warranty claim

so it doesnt matter what you swap it for, unless that board has been given to you in exchange for the one the license was tied to, then your license to use the software will be void.
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Is that technically void, or morally void? ;)
 
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