VISTA - You have a 64bit CPU - But do you get 32bit OS for compability?

kidloco · 10 Jan 2007 at 11:58

great news

puts my mind at rest, i dont plan on upgrading in the forseeable future but you never know if something goes pop.

I have ordered the OEM of Vista Ultimate 64bit, the impression I got was that MS is pushing 64bit development and whilst they may be the odd driver issue to start out with, once resolved its defo the way to go.

Jimbo · 10 Jan 2007 at 12:01

This says - Revision to Windows Vista retail licensing terms. Dosent mention OEM vista?

Does this apply to OEM vista? will i be able to change motherboard with vista OEM and it will still work?

Oh the confusion lol... sorry. :rolleyes:

Fr0dders · 10 Jan 2007 at 12:07

testa12 said:
Is that technically void, or morally void?

neither

legally void.

even if you obtain a re-activation code from microsoft after changing the motherboard outside of a warranty replacement, you will not be using legally licensed software.

Fr0dders · 10 Jan 2007 at 12:12

kidloco said:
great news

puts my mind at rest, i dont plan on upgrading in the forseeable future but you never know if something goes pop.

I have ordered the OEM of Vista Ultimate 64bit, the impression I got was that MS is pushing 64bit development and whilst they may be the odd driver issue to start out with, once resolved its defo the way to go.

not great news. The link that was posted refers to the more expensive "retail" copy. The license agreement with the OEM copy still stands. If you change the motherboard with anything other than something that was given to you as a replacement under warranty, then your license isnt valid and your using the software illegally

if you want the ability to change hardware etc. you need the retail copy.

just to clarify

Retail can be changed from PC to PC and is not tied a particular product. Retail can have the motherboard changed without requiring re-activation

OEM is tied to the motherboard that is present on first use. Changing it will require a re-activation and a phone call to microsoft. You will then have to explain over the phone why you've changed it. If its part of a warranty agreement and the same model again, or similar. You wont have a problem. If you've changed form Core 2 Duo to the latest AMD Ninja platform or whatever, they wont re-activate your copy and you'll have to buy another license.

Jimbo said:
This says - Revision to Windows Vista retail licensing terms. Dosent mention OEM vista?

Does this apply to OEM vista? will i be able to change motherboard with vista OEM and it will still work?

Oh the confusion lol... sorry.

no it doesnt

OEM vista has different terms to the retail ones. (see the rest of my post above)

Jimbo · 10 Jan 2007 at 12:17

God dammit!! :mad:

Fr0dders · 10 Jan 2007 at 12:21

Jimbo said:
God dammit!!

its why OEM is so much cheaper than retail

because they reduced its functionality

why they need so many ****ing versions of vista i dont know.

One version of Vista, all the features built in. £90. 5 pack of the above for £150 And maybe Vista business as well, with all the media centre and other pretty functionality business doesnt need taken out.

would work just fine. Seems to work just fine for apple.

Jimbo · 10 Jan 2007 at 12:22

So will MS be releasing a Vista Ultimate Retail x86 or x64 standalone? cos all I see on ocuk is the x86 + x64 on 1 dvd, and that is stupid money.

This really hacks me off, talk about monoplys. :rolleyes:

bledd · 10 Jan 2007 at 12:32

mrk said:
I rely on remote desktop so must have ultimate since none of the other versions have it (except business)

Oh well.

i know, thats well gay, i really wish home premium had it, then i'd stick with that

edit: this doc shows you how to disable 64bit required signing.. http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/64bit/kmsigning.mspx

Fr0dders · 10 Jan 2007 at 12:34

Jimbo said:
So will MS be releasing a Vista Ultimate Retail x86 or x64 standalone? cos all I see on ocuk is the x86 + x64 on 1 dvd, and that is stupid money.

This really hacks me off, talk about monoplys.

no

all retail purchases include both x64 and x86 code on the same DVD.

but thats not the reason its expensive. Your not paying for 2 software licenses. They are so expensive because of the full retail license you get with the product. Retail is more expensive because it doesnt require product activation when hardware is changed.

Fr0dders · 10 Jan 2007 at 12:35

bledd. said:
i know, thats well gay, i really wish home premium had it, then i'd stick with that

i wonder if you'll be albe to install it separately like you can with XP and 2000. XP home and Windows 2000 never came with Remote desktop, but it can still be installed on it.

Gimpymoo · 10 Jan 2007 at 12:43

Thanks for all the posts guys....

I THINK I am going to choose the 64bit version.

Simply because I think that although at first, nothing is going to work due to drivers etc, in a years time, things will be a lot better.

Look here next week for posts along the lines of:

"£$%^%$£ M$, 6 year old webcam not working, help" - LOL

I think there will be problems with 64bit at the start, but in the long run, I would only be delaying the purchase if I got 32bit now.

64bit computing has been a long time coming, we all knew the transition would not be smooth, but it is here.. so lets just hop on and enjoy the party.

Elevon · 10 Jan 2007 at 15:08

Gimpymoo said:
Thanks for all the posts guys....

I THINK I am going to choose the 64bit version.

Simply because I think that although at first, nothing is going to work due to drivers etc, in a years time, things will be a lot better.

Look here next week for posts along the lines of:

"£$%^%$£ M$, 6 year old webcam not working, help" - LOL

I think there will be problems with 64bit at the start, but in the long run, I would only be delaying the purchase if I got 32bit now.

64bit computing has been a long time coming, we all knew the transition would not be smooth, but it is here.. so lets just hop on and enjoy the party.

I have pre-ordered 64 bit version too,sooner or later 64 bit will be the standard,besides 32 bit software will run fine,only problem is 64 bit drivers and they will be coming for sure.Bottomline 64 bit OS has a longer life span then the 32 bit version.

bledd · 10 Jan 2007 at 15:46

MrLOL said:
i wonder if you'll be albe to install it separately like you can with XP and 2000. XP home and Windows 2000 never came with Remote desktop, but it can still be installed on it.

thats only the client tho, not the server part

NathanE · 10 Jan 2007 at 16:02

Gimpymoo said:
Thanks for all the posts guys....

I THINK I am going to choose the 64bit version.

Simply because I think that although at first, nothing is going to work due to drivers etc, in a years time, things will be a lot better.

Look here next week for posts along the lines of:

"£$%^%$£ M$, 6 year old webcam not working, help" - LOL

I think there will be problems with 64bit at the start, but in the long run, I would only be delaying the purchase if I got 32bit now.

64bit computing has been a long time coming, we all knew the transition would not be smooth, but it is here.. so lets just hop on and enjoy the party.

I think you've made the right choice

People will harp on about x64 being worse than x32's compatibility for months.. but in the grand scheme of things, both variants of the OS are going to have absolutely terrible compatibility in the short term.

JoyPadJedi · 10 Jan 2007 at 20:08

Jimbo said:
I was all set for Ultimate x64, but after reading about driver signing and problems with games/apps, i dunno now.

Might just buy the x32 version... nightmare.

Cant see why the greedy gets, dont just stick em both on the dvd. I know they do on the retail version, but charge £300... swines.

Yeah, well I agree on not using 64bit for now. I've just tried it and had a nightmare, especially with those little apps you've come to rely on over the years. Luckily I have both x86 and x64 so can just switch when the time comes. Other's aren't so lucky.

Perhaps you can save a bit of money in the long run and get the retail DVD. Heck, most of us have been using 64bit CPUs on 32bit OSs for years now anyway, what's another year?

Gimpymoo · 10 Jan 2007 at 21:30

I would like the Ultimate edition to play with, so retail is not an option for me.

Im prepared to bite the bullet... if some of the smaller apps dont run, then so be it.. annoying it will be, but time to change some time.

Annoying as I want to get a USB DVB-T TV tuner.. guess that will have to wait and before buying ANYTHING in the next few months, maybe a year.. I'll have be more picky as to seeing if drivers are available before I buy.

Im all set for XP64.. I know this time next week i'll be crying.. nevermind.

jont999 · 11 Jan 2007 at 14:22

d.chatten said:
To save all the worry about weather you've chosen the right version for £135 for Ultimate 64bit or 32bit and possible activation issue if you upgrade your hardware, why not just get the Home Premium Retail Upgrade that has both 64bit & 32bit included for £140, you also wouldn't have any issues with activation and you could upgrade to Ultimate later via the market place feature in Vista if needed.

Yup, that's what I done

p.s. I've had the 64-bit version of RC1 on my machine for a while and I was having driver issues and various software was acting strange. If you have older components check that there's a 64-bit driver for them as my old Alcatel ADSL pci modem stopped working under Vista 64-bit. I reinstalled it but with the 32-bit version and everything worked fine.