Vote on smoking ban in public places

dmpoole said:
All my time in pubs is spent either gigging with my band or watching other bands.
I can honestly see my gigs getting less through this and a lot of pubs stopping bands from playing.
All my band members and their partners smoke so it looks like I'll be sitting on my own.
I've never even touched a cigarette but I've always considered it my choice to go into what is technically a smokers den.
I don't welcome this ban at all.
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But if people go to a gig, they don't go to the gig to smoke, they go to a gig to listen to music. This is what I can't understand, all the landlords are saying their business will be ruined. I know when I smoked I didn't go to the pub just to smoke, I went to the pub to socialise and have a drink. If I wanted to smoke I usualy went outside anyway! Infact, I wouldnt be suprised if pubs started getting more customers, I know a hell of a lot of people who don't go to the pubs because they don't like the smoke.
 
We already have a couple of non-smoking pubs in our town and they are totally packed out - theres no doubt a bout demand. I go there myself out of preference and it makes a huge difference to how you feel when you get home. Try a night out in dublin and see how the irish have stopped drinking now cos they cant smoke (not!)

Personally I'm really glad of the ban as it means I have more choice of Pubs :)

As for smokers rights, i dont care where you decide to slowly kill yourself as long as you dont involve my lungs in it.
 
Zildjian said:
But if people go to a gig, they don't go to the gig to smoke, they go to a gig to listen to music.
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Perhaps norfern pubs are different from suffern ones but people go to the pub, drink beer, smoke tabs and listen to the band. The band is a bonus to them being in the pub and not the other way round.
 
Recently gave up smoking, and feel all the better for it, but I am against the ban in someways, it should be entirley up to the owner of the Pub/Club or whatever as to wether they allow people to smoke or not.

Maybe the the goverment should look at trying to sort out some of the real problems this country faces, rather than stop people doing something that is perfectly legal.
 
I was delighted when i heard the news on this. Ive got quite a few friends who are real miffed about it but the pro's far outweigh the con's.

I personally hate it when you come back from a night out stinking of smoke when you dont even touch cigarrettes, it really infuriates me especially when second hand smoke has been proven to kill.
 
I am disgusted by the ban personally. Purely because I am opposed to anything that removes our freedom of choice. This is coming from a non-smoker.

Still... I think it will be extremely interesting to see peoples reactions when the media moves on from "cigarette bashing" to something else that they enjoy. It will happen.

Anyway, I also find it incredibly hypocritical that the government has tightened smoking laws while at the same time relaxed drinking laws. I will always view alcohol as an infinately more harmful substance than tobacco. And I don't mean just to those who choose to consume it. Some of you may use the argument "Oh but drinking doesn't effect those around you". Really? Try living with an alcoholic father.

Cigarettes don't induce violent behaviour, alcohol does. Why encourage one while condemning the other?
 
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Great news in my oppinion, without having a seperate room for smoking in public establishments all us non smokers have to endure smoke, even if we are sitting fairly far away from the "offenders".

Can we poll this thread with a I agree or I disagree. Well something along those lines but better.
 
dirtydog said:
I'd rather pay more tax and increase my quality of life and chances of living longer. There will also be savings to the NHS from less smoking-related illnesses, not to mention people working and paying taxes who would have otherwise died from smoking directly or indirectly.
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Dude you always complain about taxes, now you are ok to pay more? And how many smoking-related illnesses are there? I am telling you, if the not-so-healthy guys turn all nice and healthy, tax will go up 60% :D

GordyR said:
Why encourage one while condemning the other?
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Beer gets you laid :cool:
 
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GordyR said:
I am disgusted by the ban personally. Purely because I am opposed to anything that removes our freedom of choice. This is coming from a non-smoker.

Still... I think it will be extremely interesting to see peoples reactions when the media moves on from "cigarette bashing" to something else they they enjoy. It will happen.

Anyway, I also find it incredibly hypocritical that the government has tightened smoking laws while at the same time relaxed drinking laws. I will always view alcohol as an infinately more harmful substance than tobacco. And I don't mean just to those who choose to consume it. Some of you may use the argument "Oh but drinking doesn't effect those around you". Really? Try living with an alcoholic father.

Cigarettes don't induce violent behaviour, alcohol does. Why encourage one while condemning the other?
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ive been wanting to post in this thread for awhile now but reading that i have to say thats the best post yet!
 
pyro said:
Dude you always complain about taxes
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Do I? I think you're confusing me with someone else. I might complain about specific taxes and their fairness but I have no problem paying my fair share of tax.

, now you are ok to pay more?
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If that was the choice between paying the same level and having stinky smoky pubs and workplaces, yes.

And how many smoking-related illnesses are there? I am telling you, if the not-so-healthy guys turn all nice and healthy, tax will go up 60% :D
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Well, smoking hasn't been banned so for all we know, the level of smoking will not fall. But if it does, the people who survive who would have died from smoking will continue to work and pay taxes, and spend money which helps the economy. Likewise, if smoking does decline then the money will simply be spent on other things, which will also attract tax.

Whatever the financial implications of this move, and they are debatable and we'll only know for sure in future years, it has to be the right thing to ban such an anti-social and dangerous practice from enclosed public spaces, period. Also I wonder how many fires have been started by discarded cigarettes which might now be avoided too.

As far as I'm concerned, if taxes (the tax take) do fall due to this move then the Chancellor should sharply hike tax on cigarettes, put another £1 or £2 a packet on.
 
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dmpoole said:
All my time in pubs is spent either gigging with my band or watching other bands.
I can honestly see my gigs getting less through this and a lot of pubs stopping bands from playing.
All my band members and their partners smoke so it looks like I'll be sitting on my own.
I've never even touched a cigarette but I've always considered it my choice to go into what is technically a smokers den.
I don't welcome this ban at all.
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I wonder if the late Roy Castle thought the same as he died from lung cancer that he contracted from playing trumpet in smokey clubs.
 
dirtydog said:
Well, smoking hasn't been banned so for all we know, the level of smoking will not fall.
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The health woman from the Govt (Hewitt) predidicted at leasat 600,000 people quitting very soon as a result of this action.

As an ex smoker of over 2 decades not being able to smoke somewhere will influence or would have influenced my decision to go there or not, so it will hit clubs, especially clubs as they don't tend to let you in and out every 5 minutes.

How hard it affects the pub will depend on the location of the pub and whether or not it has a beer garden. Downer for me is that my family and friends used to sit in the Beer Garden on a nice summers afternoon (including our kids) but now it'll be rammed with people smoking - so we won't be taking our kids to any busy beer gardens.

Nothing is going to convince me that this total ban was necessary. Pubs are moving in the direction of non smoking as it stands as customers start to look for it. There is room for both non smoking and smoking pubs. Another shot in the foot imho, nannying and certainly lost taxes.
 
As someone who has never smoked, what is the great attraction exactly - I presume it must be very pleasurable to make people take up a habit which soon takes control of them and requires them to spend perhaps thousands of pounds a year to satisfy. A habit which the majority of people find disgusting and anti-social, and which even if it doesn't end up killing you will affect your skin, make you smell, give you a cough etc. I don't get it.
 
An an ex-smoker of abou8t 9 years all I can is... yay! The sooner fags are cut from the world the better in my eyes, if suicide isn't legal then smoking certainly shouldn't be. Just as fat people are now being refused certain treatments, I think smokers should also start to be refused certain smoking-induced ailments. Thousands of families lose loved ones to smoking every year, you can drink in moderation and be fine, but smoking in moderation can definately kill.

No smoking in public places and the resulting progressive push to get rid of them completely will eventually mean a healthier world, and with so many of todays young and tender (as low as 11 years old, probably lower in some cases) youth taking up the habit that can only be a good thing in my eyes.
 
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Richdog said:
An an ex-smoker of abou8t 9 years all I can is... yay!
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I am not sure that quitting smoking at 15 years of age really makes you an "ex-smoker" unless you started smoking 20 a day at 6 years of age or something?

Fat people don't pay huge excesses of tax.
Smokers do.

I still await an explanation as to why a total ban was the only way?
 
duc999 said:
And it says that on his death certificate does it ?? :rolleyes:
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/september/2/newsid_2493000/2493567.stm

I'm sure it didn't say "Died from passive smoking on his death certificate" but it's pretty evident that he died from passive smoking. Many smokers try to delude theirselves that it doesn't really do them any harm and it's all a massive consipiracy.

My Grandad smoked like a chimney and died a horrible death from emphysema, back then there was no real proof that it was his habit that killed him but we all knew it was.

If smokers wish to see the damage and destruction that comes from killing themselves with cigarettes thats fine, it your choice and one that you will come to regret. If the new legislation saves the life of one person that would have died through passive smoking then it's worth it.

VIRII said:
I still await an explanation as to why a total ban was the only way?
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Its not a total ban, you just can't smoke in a public place, a total ban would have made cigarettes illegal.

HEADRAT
 
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