W10 - Subscription

Rroff said:
Not quite sure on the context here but I have found several times that some settings including privacy settings and a few times the options for sharing updates have reverted after some updates - not sure off the top of my head how much has been on the insider rung and how much on the normal ring.
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Great to see someone who is not a sheep and has actually noticed this behaviour!
I'm sick of people stating change this setting/change this reg key and everything is alright, only to then see the settings changed by a windows update lol
 
Groovesection acknowledged windows 10 was not free, so I do not see why people are saying he said it is
When a company gives you something for free, (w10 upgrade) then it transpires you are the product!
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Anyway - with respect to windows 10 updates and driver updates (even though revoking privacy settings was hopefully a one off incident that MS fixed. ) -

: The automatic application of updates cannot be prevented ( just delayed on pro or specifying a metered wireless connection) please give me a reference if that is wrong. Personally I attribute a lot of the stability I have had in win 7 to being able to disable updates (and apply what I want, when I want), so I am pessimistic about win10.

: Automatic update of drivers can be reliably suppressed, I applied that option. (otherwise MS will update nvidia graphic drivers and that will kill my system)
 
That automatic driver update option seems to either be faulty or they've changed the behaviour of it - on some systems it still works to suppress drivers but on others it won't do anything and even manually after the fact managing those specific updates doesn't reliably prevent the same issue happening at an undetermined time in the future.

Unfortunately using 3rd party tools and/or low level "hacks" to work around automatic updates behaviour also has some side effects from minor inconvenience with other features not working or needing manual managing through to potentially killing the OS and/or breaking things with future updates.
 
groovesection said:
Thank you for telling me I am wrong, Are you Mystic Meg? :D

I do not wish to engage in discourse regarding the semantics of windows 10. If you want/love it then woohoo, enjoy your new shiny system.

I have tested win10 and found it to be unreliable, uncontrollable and unstable and have drawn my own conclusions,
I have a paid Win 7 license I am more than happy with and have no intention to upgrade to windows 10 till at least 2020.
I have currently disabled win7 updates due to the 'forced' pressure to migrate to 10.
If I decide to migrate to windows 10 it will be MY decision, not Microsoft's or bullying from people on forums stating I am a 'tinfoil hat' David Icke follower :p

/end

If I could get support for my licenses on Linux for VDJ8, DVBViewer & VideoredoplusTVsuite I would be heading to Linux, but as I have almost £200 invested in those licenses I will continue with Windows 7 till I am forced to change in 2020.
I paid for my windows 7 license, is it too much to expect support and not sneaky backdoor porting of windows 10 upgrades and telemetry installed on my system?

It's pathetic, Once 2020 gets here I may just simply unplug windows 7, continue to use it offline and do any online stuff with a Linux distro on a separate box or SSD.

/tinfoilhat - so ****ing funny
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so its gone from unsubstantiated nonses, to its a rubbish os. change your opinion much.
one update that was pulled an d fixed, insider program is different. changed privacy settings.
you can read ms privacy statement, rather than making rubbish up, on how data is collected, why it is collected and what happens to it.
guess what, it isn't how you portray it. neither can you gain that knowledge by simply using w10.
well that's a shame for you as w7 has pretty much identical telemetry systems. so you may want to rethink your move to Linux and do it sooner.

and lol no one in here is trying to force you to update, just one more thing to add to your growing list of made up statements.
 
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Glaucus said:
well that's a shame for you as w7 has pretty much identical telemetry systems. so you may want to rethink your move to Linux and do it sooner.
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Unlike 10 though those systems aren't "built into" the OS from the ground up and were included as later updates that you can fully choose and have control over.
 
Rroff said:
Unlike 10 though those systems aren't "built into" the OS from the ground up and were included as later updates that you can fully choose and have control over.
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No, they were. Indies has always collected data to improve features.
The only real difference is there are now several new features that if you want them to work, require information. Like cortana, it doesn't mean ms in spying on you. Like mass bad reporting has made out. As I have said the bandwagon gained traction and won't die, even though its not based on reality.
 
Glaucus said:
No, they were. Indies has always collected data to improve features.
The only real difference is there are now several new features that if you want them to work, require information. Like cortana, it doesn't mean ms in spying on you. Like mass bad reporting has made out. As I have said the bandwagon gained traction and won't die, even though its not based on reality.
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Aside from some bug reporting stuff which I believe is configured by default to request permission I don't believe there is any automatic telemetry/reporting back features in out the box Windows 7 - there was a big fuss when they rolled out updates after SP1 that included those kind of features and a tool made to disable them - mostly they are optional updates though any how even though the descriptions of the updates don't mention what they really do.
 
Since when is bug not telemetry.

That is what most of the uproar about w10 is.
Telemetry to improve features. That has always been on there.
And its still configurable in w10.
You got bug reports, spelling auto correct information.
Then vast majority of the rest is for new features like cortana that to work need access to data.

You are blwoing it out of proportion and started of saying w7 had nothing, which it absolutely did.

Have you got any idea how they collect such data?

They remove any identifiable information, cut it up in small sections so it can't be stitched back together etc. And except for target advertising(and even that's just an I'd number with no personal information) can't be traced back to a system. And like everything else can be switched off.
This is not spying. There's no need to get your knickers in a twist like lots of people do. Ignorance of reading scaremongering blogs isn't defence, nor is saying w7 doesn't include such features
 
I assume that as we have moved to (another) discussion on Windows 10 and privacy, that the argument that Windows 10 will be moving to a subscription base for consumers has been dismissed and forgotten? :)
 
Windows 7 out the box has nothing of the like of 10 - there is the customer experience improvement program but it defaults to off and is for specific products like WMP. What little there is in 7 out the box is largely collecting environment variables/system information in the event of a crash and fully permissive rather than the invasive implementation in 10 and later patches for 7 and 8.

I've posted several times explaining how it works in 10 I do understand it.
 
I find it funny people go on about Win 10 collecting data, privacy settings but they never looked at the data their iOS or Android phone is sending out.

Compared to them Win 10 isn't bad, at least it's telling you what the OS is doing.
 
If there was any actual evidence of any of that being true Microsoft would be in trouble with Anti-Competition law suits in every country on the planet!
 
malachi said:
I find it funny people go on about Win 10 collecting data, privacy settings but they never looked at the data their iOS or Android phone is sending out.

Compared to them Win 10 isn't bad, at least it's telling you what the OS is doing.
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I see this said but most of the people who are that particularly bothered about privacy in their desktop OS also tend to use stuff to remove those kind of things from their phone as well.

None of that makes it right just because it isn't as bad.
 
Rroff said:
I see this said but most of the people who are that particularly bothered about privacy in their desktop OS also tend to use stuff to remove those kind of things from their phone as well.
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I think you underestimate the ignorance of most people. They simply aren't aware this is going on, as unlike in Windows 10, its hidden.

Simply leaving Location and 3G/4G on and using the Chrome and GMail apps on your phone provide Google with a wealth of information. I seriously doubt every person who has gone all tin foil hat on Windows 10 also turns off every single Smartphone feature on their Smartphones too.

Most people are totally unaware of what Google can learn about you simple from leaving Location services on....
 
Skeeter said:
I assume that as we have moved to (another) discussion on Windows 10 and privacy, that the argument that Windows 10 will be moving to a subscription base for consumers has been dismissed and forgotten? :)
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Is there an argument it will going subscription based? The Enterprise thing is a red herring, enterprise customers have been on subscription licensing since forever.

Seems more like the opposite. Once you buy a Windows license (either installed on a device you buy or an OEM you build yourself), it gets upgraded as long as the hardware support is there. No more paying for upgrades to the latest Windows X major release.
 
Skeeter said:
I think you underestimate the ignorance of most people. They simply aren't aware this is going on, as unlike in Windows 10, its hidden.

Simply leaving Location and 3G/4G on and using the Chrome and GMail apps on your phone provide Google with a wealth of information. I seriously doubt every person who has gone all tin foil hat on Windows 10 also turns off every single Smartphone feature on their Smartphones too.

Most people are totally unaware of what Google can learn about you simple from leaving Location services on....
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From my experience most of those who are tin foil hat about privacy in 10 tend to be like that with everything in their lives - the main ones I know IRL also use RF shielding wallets, pay with cash as much as possible, etc.
 
mid_gen said:
Is there an argument it will going subscription based? The Enterprise thing is a red herring, enterprise customers have been on subscription licensing since forever.

Seems more like the opposite. Once you buy a Windows license (either installed on a device you buy or an OEM you build yourself), it gets upgraded as long as the hardware support is there. No more paying for upgrades to the latest Windows X major release.
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Yep, thats basically it.

It won't be long before the 10 is dropped and you instead just buy a "Windows" or "Windows Pro" licence, which is a perpetual license for the platform forever.

A key thing to remember is almost all consumer Windows licenses purchased are pre-installed OEM licences that live and die with the device they are on. Buying a copy of Windows on its own is something a very small proportion of the user base do.
 
Rroff said:
From my experience most of those who are tin foil hat about privacy in 10 tend to be like that with everything in their lives - the main ones I know IRL also use RF shielding wallets, pay with cash as much as possible, etc.
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Really? Almost everyone who I have had conversations with where they are up in arms about their perception that Windows 10 is spying on them are completely unaware of what the device in their pocket is already doing.
 
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