Want a $6000 CD player for £15?

[markop2003]

yes, but only up to a point - when you're paying more than about £50 for an analogue cable then you can officially consider yourself a muppet.

True, found some people on headroom who are willing to sell pure silver interconnects with silver bullets for about £30... though for branded stuff it can be difficult to find silver ones for a good price

 

[oli collett]

Yep but this isn't the place for open minded thinking

Because open minded thinking = ignoring logic, science, reason, psychology, and instead believing everything you hear, quite literally





anyway, back to the topic - I find the idea of someone with £10K of audio gear hooking up a PS3 to their system hilarious. If a PS3 really was that good a dac, given that it's ~15 year old technology, would someone please explain to me how -given the amount of money that floats around in the hi-fi industry- no-one has replicated it and produced a consumer player?

 

[markop2003]

anyway, back to the topic - I find the idea of someone with £10K of audio gear hooking up a PS1 to their system hilarious. If a PS1 really was that good a dac, given that it's ~15 year old technology, would someone please explain to me how -given the amount of money that floats around in the hi-fi industry- no-one has replicated it and produced a consumer player?

Just because it's not in the same package dosn't mean it hasn't been done, the same design could be there somewhere in a standard aluminium hifi case being sold for a few £100 and you'd never know.

 

[marscay]

Because open minded thinking = ignoring logic, science, reason, psychology, and instead believing everything you hear, quite literally

And this is where it gets messy, so anybody who can hear a change between amplifiers or speakers is not a nutter but those who can with cables etc are?

Even my missus who doesn't posess good ears due to operations when she was younger can hear differences between a few sets of speaker cable i have, i agree the mind does play tricks at times but there comes a point when a difference IS a difference. Differences don't always equate to improvement either nor does the value of the item.

anyway, back to the topic - I find the idea of someone with £10K of audio gear hooking up a PS3 to their system hilarious. If a PS3 really was that good a dac, given that it's ~15 year old technology, would someone please explain to me how -given the amount of money that floats around in the hi-fi industry- no-one has replicated it and produced a consumer player?

Because it doesn't sound that great, a £100-200 DAC wipes the floor with it.....and it's a PSX btw.

 

[oli collett]

And this is where it gets messy, so anybody who can hear a change between amplifiers or speakers is not a nutter but those who can with cables etc are?

Even my missus who doesn't posess good ears due to operations when she was younger can hear differences between a few sets of speaker cable i have, i agree the mind does play tricks at times but there comes a point when a difference IS a difference. Differences don't always equate to improvement either nor does the value of the item.



Because it doesn't sound that great, a £100-200 DAC wipes the floor with it.

I won't bring up that debate again, my point was somewhat in jest in response - but to clarify, there is nothing "nutty" about succumbing to such effects, it happens to all of us - anyone who thinks it doesn't is an idiot. I'll leave it for that, because we've gone through this at length before and it only goes round in circles, but since my arguments are constantly miss-represented and miss-quoted on here I thought it might be a good idea to clear things up

Anyway, about the sound of the PS1 - quite, I would hope so!



Edit: Just to add, Marscay, you find it ironic that people here thinking a PS1 makes a DAC/source, whilst the same people laugh at those using cables. Now I'm not sure which people here are doing that, but isn't it also ironic, that you are dismissing a claim of a PS1 being a better CD player than a $6K one, when the person is using exactly the same standard of evidence (a simple, unblinded ear test) to make such a claim as you are when singing praises of cables? Assuming that is, you have not done double-blind tests between the two. Seems like double-standards to me.

 

[MikeHunt79]

Because it doesn't sound that great, a £100-200 DAC wipes the floor with it.....and it's a PSX btw.

What would you say are the most noticeable differences between a PS1 and DAC when you heard them side by side?

 

[Yamahahahahaha]

What DAC chip is the PS1 using for it's audio output?

 

[marscay]

I won't bring up that debate again, my point was somewhat in jest in response - but to clarify, there is nothing "nutty" about succumbing to such effects, it happens to all of us - anyone who thinks it doesn't is an idiot. I'll leave it for that, because we've gone through this at length before and it only goes round in circles, but since my arguments are constantly miss-represented and miss-quoted on here I thought it might be a good idea to clear things up

Anyway, about the sound of the PS1 - quite, I would hope so!



Edit: Just to add, Marscay, you find it ironic that people here thinking a PS1 makes a DAC/source, whilst the same people laugh at those using cables. Now I'm not sure which people here are doing that, but isn't it also ironic, that you are dismissing a claim of a PS1 being a better CD player than a $6K one, when the person is using exactly the same standard of evidence (a simple, unblinded ear test) to make such a claim as you are when singing praises of cables? Assuming that is, you have not done double-blind tests between the two. Seems like double-standards to me.

I wholeheartedly agree with the notion of psychoacoustics to a certain point but it's the notion that seemingly 'smart' educated people are complete tools when it comes to HiFi accessories and will happily pay over the odds for the same outcome, sure you can say some people are definitely snobs when it comes to Hifi but the flipside are those who listen with their Z5500's and point the finger with zero point of reference.

I think a well known maker of respected amps summed it up quite well recently, "those who think cables don't make a difference have **** equipment, bad ears or a combination of both".

Anyways i am totally over this debate, to each their own

As far as the PSX i tried one ages (2yrs or more) ago with a mates after reading that article and we compared it to an Audigy 2 soundcard he had in his PC. I didn't think there was much between them tbh, both were pretty poor in the resolution stakes. But we didn't have a £1k interconnect

 

[oli collett]

but the flipside are those who listen with their Z5500's and point the finger with zero point of reference.

Yes, but then it's always convenient to say "your equipment isn't good enough to tell the difference". Especially if you're a hi-fi salesman

I think a well known maker of respected amps summed it up quite well recently, "those who think cables don't make a difference have **** equipment, bad ears or a combination of both".

Blimey, that's a great way to win a debate! (person who said that, not you)

Anyways i am totally over this debate, to each their own

:thumbsup: and here's to everyone having equal right to say as they please on such matters

 

[MikeHunt79]

What DAC chip is the PS1 using for it's audio output?

I can't remember the exact model, but I remember the specs are pretty poor compared to more modern DAC's, but the poor spec of the DAC is probably what gives the PS1 it's distinctive sound!

 

[Guest2]

I'll have to dig one out.

would i just need to connect it to my amp via phono cables? (i.e no pad or display to control or see the menu)

 

[markop2003]

I'll have to dig one out.

would i just need to connect it to my amp via phono cables? (i.e no pad or display to control or see the menu)

I think it would auto play though it would be best to get a pad too for changing tracks.

 

[Aod]

I'll have to dig one out.

would i just need to connect it to my amp via phono cables? (i.e no pad or display to control or see the menu)

bare in mind that just because you have a PS1, it doesn't mean you have the relevant one (SCPH-1000, SCPH-1001 or SCPH-1002)

 

[marscay]

Yes, but then it's always convenient to say "your equipment isn't good enough to tell the difference". Especially if you're a hi-fi salesman

There is some noticable difference between cables that i've personally tried recently (or i wouldn't have kept any of it) but not in the same league as changing speakers/amps/sources and i'd hazard a guess that a 10 min demo in a showroom would be a hard sell for anybody.

As far as wasting money or getting conned from the salesman, as i said earlier buy from a shop will loan some out (most decent shops will) or accept refunds within 30days etc....no risk if you get no improvment.

Did i say i was over debating this?

 

[james.miller]

Because it doesn't sound that great, a £100-200 DAC wipes the floor with it.....and it's a PSX btw.

it's a ps1, actually