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Weebull · 29 Mar 2006 at 15:08

Haha, I didn't even see that, ace. FISICKS IN ACTION!

JaFFa · 29 Mar 2006 at 15:13

Am I the only one who thinks it would be interesting to see how they match up graphically ? It would give some indication about how powerful the revolution is or is that not right for some reason ?

Kreeeee · 29 Mar 2006 at 15:23

VIRII said:
We all know they'll hit the floor at the same time

With no air resistance, yes. We do, however, happen to be living on planet Earth.

VIRII · 29 Mar 2006 at 15:45

kreeeee said:
With no air resistance, yes. We do, however, happen to be living on planet Earth.

The lead weight could have far more air resistance than the chick or vice versa

However for all practical purposes they'll accelerate at the same rate and hit the floor at the same time.

As for living on planet Earth ..... we do sometimes wonder ........

Incidentally C&C > Starcraft

tbs · 29 Mar 2006 at 15:51

JaFFa said:
Am I the only one who thinks it would be interesting to see how they match up graphically ? It would give some indication about how powerful the revolution is or is that not right for some reason ?

but nintendo has confirmed many times, that the Rev will not match up in power to either the 360 and PS3. Nintendo isnt even going for graphical wowness.

its like saying a bike is a car when obviously they've already said its a bike and not a car, i dont see why people want to compare the Rev to 360's graphical power.

but then again, RE4 on the GC kicked much ass in graphics compared to the PS2 version in many ways. at the end of the day, its HOW you use what you have to make the best out of it, thats why nintendo has always proven power isnt everything.

another point, check out DS Vs PSP, we all know PSP is more powerful than a DS, yet the DS is capable in whatever the PSP is, and yet still advancing more and quicker.

Weebull · 29 Mar 2006 at 16:38

But they're not saying they expect it to be as good, which is why all these awful analogies are nowhere near the mark. They're simply wanting to use Call of Duty as a benchmark to see exactly how big the difference is, and quite what the Rev is capable of. After all, stats mean nothing, and just because the Rev won't be as powerful as a 360, doesn't mean people won't want to see what it can graphically manage.

Moonpie2 · 29 Mar 2006 at 17:45

I know they're not expecting it to be good, so why compare it to the most powerful games console on the planet ?

I'm personally very interested in just how the gfx will look, but I don't need to compare console X to console Y to tell me whether gfx are good or not

That's like saying "We know cheese is more edible than broken glass, but it will be interesting to see which makes the better sandwich"

..... ok, maybe its nothing like saying that, but I can't help myself anymore !!

JaFFa · 30 Mar 2006 at 19:31

tbs said:
but nintendo has confirmed many times, that the Rev will not match up in power to either the 360 and PS3. Nintendo isnt even going for graphical wowness.

its like saying a bike is a car when obviously they've already said its a bike and not a car, i dont see why people want to compare the Rev to 360's graphical power.

but then again, RE4 on the GC kicked much ass in graphics compared to the PS2 version in many ways. at the end of the day, its HOW you use what you have to make the best out of it, thats why nintendo has always proven power isnt everything.

another point, check out DS Vs PSP, we all know PSP is more powerful than a DS, yet the DS is capable in whatever the PSP is, and yet still advancing more and quicker.

yer yer, your preaching to the choir. But just because a game doesnt use the rev controller doesnt mean it wont be revolutionary/an amazing game. So if that game comes out on multi platforms Id like to have a good idea in my head how bad it would look on the rev compared to the ps3/360, since if its the same game it might aswell look as good as it can. Whilst gfx dont create gameplay they do facilitate it.

I just dont think its that dum a thing to write when we dont know yet just what the rev hardware can deliver.

Mr Latte · 30 Mar 2006 at 20:14

Personally i think this will be Nintendos last effort at a home console.
Is it just me but disregarding the whole HDTV era as not important is a very bad move. Its the way other video entertainment and tv is going. Also the chances are a good percentage of TVs purchased over the next 2-3 years will be HDTVs and capable of making full use of the other consoles, in the long run this could hurt the machines potential, dont tell me graphics dont sell consoles, come onnnnnn.

It really seems nintendo are offering a different approach with a new way of controlling games having a controller that might suck more than a dyson, thats the 2nd risk and the third well thatll be 3rd party support. Why will anyone here buy the Revo version of a game over the PS3 or X360 one. As for the emulation gees as if thats not been possible for several years already on Pcs, sorry Nintendo but so what, LIVE ARCADE seems to be a perfect platform for this already and over 100,000 downloads of Geometry Wars proves its a sucessfull platform but this doesnt mean people will rush out to buy a Revo to play an emulated (prob not perfect) Super Mario Brothers 3 etc. Why dont they sell a SNES built into a controller like the Atari controller and have it include 20 or so top games retailling for £50 but then we couldnt flaff our arms about with this new unique controller that looks more of a handicapp than a benifit. im really unsure about this controller more than anything else.

Title exclusives have always been Nintendos strongest points but at the same time you can count the amount of quality Nintendo titles released in a year on one hand. This hurts more if 3rd party support is lacking and thats what happened the Cube.

Kids may love it and the big kids in us will too. No doubt it could be a great money spinner as it looks cool and particulary if its cheap to manufacturer they will be counting in the dollars...

You once were great, now nintendo give up the hardware business and stick to what you do best, thats great games/ maybe its time to develop for one or both of the other platforms...... Mario HD anyone?

zz0924 · 31 Mar 2006 at 04:00

Yes, we already know the difference between MAN and WOMAN, but it will be interesting to see them on the same bed.

Moonpie2 · 31 Mar 2006 at 09:18

Mr Latte said:
Why will anyone here buy the Revo version of a game over the PS3 or X360 one.

They won't, but that's not Ninty's strategy.

I think the general consensus is that people will have a 360 or PS3 for their normal eye candy needs and a Revolution as their 2nd console for their unique gameplaying experience needs.

And I absoloutley guarantee this won't be the big N's last home console. Why will they stop making them if they make money on every single unit sold ? :cool:

VIRII · 31 Mar 2006 at 09:43

Moonpie2 said:
They won't, but that's not Ninty's strategy.

I think the general consensus is that people will have a 360 or PS3 for their normal eye candy needs and a Revolution as their 2nd console for their unique gameplaying experience needs.

And I absoloutley guarantee this won't be the big N's last home console. Why will they stop making them if they make money on every single unit sold ?

I agree. Nintendo do not need to compete with every single generation of console. Perhaps they'll have something powerful for the PS4 generation, in the meantime a cheap but unique console is not a bad place to be in terms of profit generation.
Things like the bongos are inspired and major incentives to buy a Gamecube especially if you have kids. £300 consoles with £50 games are aimed more at the 30+ market. I would not buy one for a 10 year old, there aren't really many games that are suitable for a ten year old on the 360 anyway.
However get all the 5-10 year olds into the revolution and perhaps you'll create a brand loyalty with them that will rival the PS4 in 5 years time.

Boogle · 31 Mar 2006 at 10:12

VIRII said:
However get all the 5-10 year olds into the revolution and perhaps you'll create a brand loyalty with them that will rival the PS4 in 5 years time.

Or they'll 'graduate' from a Nintendo to a Sony/MS console. Much like 'graduating' from a V-Tech laptop to the real deal.

/end playing devils advocate

VIRII · 31 Mar 2006 at 10:39

Boogle said:
Or they'll 'graduate' from a Nintendo to a Sony/MS console. Much like 'graduating' from a V-Tech laptop to the real deal.

/end playing devils advocate

Yup they might do. However going by the number of fanboys for PS2, Ati, Nvidia, Intel, AMD etc they might never grow out of it

Either way the 360 doesn't really offer any content for the under 10s and the Xbox didn't either. Ok pinata is in the offing - that could be truly cool. I can imagine my daughter now - "daddy go to the bank and get some money and then buy me a 360 like yours pleeeeease". She already has an Xbox and a Gamecube.

I guess what I am saying is that Nintendo are representing a different market to the Xbox and PS3. The cost of the console and the nature of the games reflect that.

Mr Latte · 31 Mar 2006 at 14:14

Moonpie2 said:
They won't, but that's not Ninty's strategy.

I think the general consensus is that people will have a 360 or PS3 for their normal eye candy needs and a Revolution as their 2nd console for their unique gameplaying experience needs.

And I absoloutley guarantee this won't be the big N's last home console. Why will they stop making them if they make money on every single unit sold ?

Id propose that one day they will realise they could make much more money developing for the other platforms than the money generated via hardware and acessories for their own platform.

Id rekon EA make more money than Nintendo.

Most of whats being said here was said regards the Cube pre release, i wont tout Ninty followers but hey last time i looked the Xbox hammered the Cube and very few people thought it would.

Yes the cube and the revo could still be successfull but nowhere near as popular as the other two.

Moonpie2 · 31 Mar 2006 at 14:27

The X-box didn't hammer the cube.
It all depends on which market and figures you look at really.

I would also put to you that BP make more money than Ninty and EA put together by refining oil , but that doesn't mean Ninty will realise this and move into the oil bussiness does it ?

Nintendo make great hardware and software, both at a profit, so why stop ?
Its nice to have the choice of 3 home consoles rather than just 2 near identical ones

NokkonWud · 31 Mar 2006 at 15:37

Mr Latte said:
Why will anyone here buy the Revo version of a game over the PS3 or X360 one.

Depends how the controller is utilised ingame. If I can have more 'fun' with the Revolutions control method then I would get it, regardless of graphics/audio.

tbs · 31 Mar 2006 at 18:10

Mr Latte said:
Id propose that one day they will realise they could make much more money developing for the other platforms than the money generated via hardware and acessories for their own platform.

Id rekon EA make more money than Nintendo.

Most of whats being said here was said regards the Cube pre release, i wont tout Ninty followers but hey last time i looked the Xbox hammered the Cube and very few people thought it would.

Yes the cube and the revo could still be successfull but nowhere near as popular as the other two.

GC outsold Xbox last i heard.

Xbox did the worst, unless youre talking about period of sales, then maybe Xbox did do better at thanks giving or whatnot, but as a whole GC came 2nd

and whats with all Nintendo should become a software only company? for all im concerned, Nintendo are the only company keeping the console market alive with its games, and innovative hardware. i'll make a list

Analogue stick
Rumble feature
mouse/light guns
touchscreen gaming
controller designs
etc

i dont see why people are all so uptight about change that nintendo has done with the controller. this might just be the next small steps that controllers and hardware are gonna change and how we make the use of it to work together.

Boogle · 31 Mar 2006 at 23:58

tbs said:
GC outsold Xbox last i heard.

Xbox did the worst, unless youre talking about period of sales, then maybe Xbox did do better at thanks giving or whatnot, but as a whole GC came 2nd

It did very well in Japan, outside of Japan the Xbox outsold it... and in turn the PS2 outsold the Xbox by a massive margin (could you even call it a margin when something is 3-4x more popular?).

The Xbox 360 is the first console from MS to (potentially) feature games that the Japanese will like. However, until those games come out we can't gauge how well the X360 will do in Japan (compared to Xbox). The DS wasn't paticularly popular in Japan when it first launched, however it built up speed when some good games came out

Moonpie2 · 1 Apr 2006 at 10:50

I don't have the figures on me, but for example, if the X-box sold 20 mill worldwide at a loss and the GC sold 15 mill worldwide at a profit, even Stevie Wonder can see which has been the most successfull.
And in that respect, the cube wiped the floor mightily with the X-box

Also the release of DOA4 did nothing for 360 sales in Japan. A game that was touted as the Japanese killer app.
Its just never gonna work over there.... EVER !!!
Unless of course Final Fantasy 13 is a 360 exclusive.
Heheh