Was i wrong?

Ripper^ said:
thats how I see it. Why should i put myself through extra stress and possibly hinder my grade in the module? (as well as other modules as having him in our group would mean we'd have to spend more time going to Uni, as our timetables differ). Should we need to get together outside of lecture times it would most likely mean an extra journey to uni which is an hour round trip. Whereas if it's just me and my mate I can just go down the road to his house.

I do feel selfish but at the end of the day number 1 comes first :rolleyes:
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Get in touch with him, apologise to him for being such a spineless No swearing! and not giving him a chance, sit down with him and your mate (face to face), establish whether or not he would be an asset/hindrance and then make your decision.

Are you man enough to do that?
 
Half of life is having to work with people you either don't like or don't get along with.
Having to work through these group issues in uni is supposed to prepare you for that.
Youre not SUPPOSED to always work with your mates, you have to tackle challenges such as different viewpoints and difficulty with communication.

I should think your professor will very much look down upon you and your mate for this when he is told by the international.
 
calling me a **** is a little harsh. The only reason we emailed him is because that's the only detail he gave us and we dont share another module with him so I wouldn't see him until next week. So i thought it was best to let him know straight away.
 
Ripper^ said:
calling me a **** is a little harsh. The only reason we emailed him is because that's the only detail he gave us and we dont share another module with him so I wouldn't see him until next week. So i thought it was best to let him know straight away.
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No it's not, I personally regard it as rather tame given the circumstances.

You know what you have to do, question is; are you man enough to do it?
 
sormicoft said:
ignore everyone

look out for number 1 :)
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Ironically this has probably hindered number 1's project as it will be obvious to the professor that they didn't rise to the challenge and their grade will be affected by their ignorance.
 
Unfortunately you are going to have to learn to work and live with people that don't look and sound like you. With the world and work place becoming more global you are going to deal with people from othe nationalities and languages on a daily basis. NEVER disregard anyone based on the fact that he doesn't communicate as good as you or doesn't seem to understand something at first.
Give him a chance first.
 
Ripper^ said:
During one module at University we have to be in groups of 2/3 to do this particular assignment (analysis and design). Me and my mate have been through high school and a HND together and we drive each other to university everyday so clearly we're doing the assignment together.

There was a lad who was sitting near us (overseas student, call it ignorance but i'm not entirely sure of his nationality, but he's from the East) who was the only person to raise his hand when the tutor asked who didn't have a group. Nothing more was said until the end of the lesson where our tutor came over and asked if we minded if he joined up with us. Now obviously we're not going to say no right infront of him, so we agreed and he came over to us and we started discussing how we were going to do the assignment.

After a few minutes it became clear that it was going to be difficult, I found it hard to communicate with him as he couldn't really understand me fully.

Whilst we were driving home me and my mate agreed that I'd email him and basically tell him we didn't want to be in a group with him. It would have been difficult with us two not living at Uni, and we felt that we'd be way more organised if it was just the pair of us. So I emailed him and he replied saying "Ok thats fine" but I know he'll be a week behind now as he'll most likely have to wait until next week to sort a group again.

Was we wrong to basically "kick him out". I feel quite bad in fairness. I don't want my tutor to think i'm racist or anything it's just a simple fact that we're more comfortable working with each other rather than with a stranger as well.
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Did you do wrong? Debatable, certaintly goto the tutor and tell him/her that you have no idea what he is talking about because his English is so bad and that you do not want to work with him.

I can sympathise since the standard of English of overseas students coming to uni has dramatically declined over the years, they have to take a test of their English before being allowed in, nowadays this test a taken afterwards and then sorted out. Don't jepordise your marks because for someone who cannot speak English correctly. However, I think you maybe should have gone to the tutor first rather than sending an e-mail.
 
i understand the concerns but i think you could have been more mature and actually tried to explain it in person. Emailing someone in this situation makes u look harsh
 
I think it was a bit harsh, and also may not be good for you in the long run. You obviously know that you work well with your friend, and I'm sure you'll do well on the project, however you won't always be able to pick and choose who you work with on projects when you start working, so learning to work with people that you don't know is a good skill.

Also, whenever I've worked with students from asia, its practically meant a guaranteed first, as they work tirelessly on things, as well as normally knowing the material inside out.
 
to be honest, i think you did the right thing. i was in a crap group and it brought my grade down from an A to a C, which then affected my entire degree. It may have been slightly unfair to do it by email, but if its the only contact he gave you, you had little choice if you wanted to give him the best chance of finding another group. I take on board other peoples point that you have to be able to work with other people to get on in life, but its slightly different when there is a mark which will possibly affect the rest of your life riding on it. :)
 
Should have spoken to your tutor first and given him a chance. If he can't contribute, fair enough as it's your degree and you've got to do what's right for you but in future, don't be quite so quick to judge.
 
Becca said:
to be honest, i think you did the right thing. i was in a crap group and it brought my grade down from an A to a C, which then affected my entire degree. It may have been slightly unfair to do it by email, but if its the only contact he gave you, you had little choice if you wanted to give him the best chance of finding another group. I take on board other peoples point that you have to be able to work with other people to get on in life, but its slightly different when there is a mark which will possibly affect the rest of your life riding on it. :)
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But he doesn't even know if the guy was crap! he didn't even give him a chance to prove himself!

I know some people who are a bit hard to understand at uni but they are hard workers!

I see let him have a chance!

Rich
 
You should have given it a chance. If he wasnt doing any work and communication was stopping you working (ie not just being difficult), then go to him and the tutors about it.

IMO you should have at least seen how the travel/language problem affected you before making the decision. Email is also a really harsh way to tell someone that you dont wish to work with them. Is he even going to be able to find a new group before next week anyway?
 
This is really difficult and I guess to understand the OP's point of view you have to have experienced it yourself.

I have, and I did the opposite - got on with it and welcomed the guy into the group. Now, the guy was really up for helping out and I couldn't fault his effort but the language barrier and the fact he thought in a completely different way to the rest of the group proved to be a constant battle, one I had to work VERY hard to overcome (And thus, the project took up more time than other groups projects did) and I'm not sure my marks where as good as they could have been as a result.
 
[TW]Fox said:
This is really difficult and I guess to understand the OP's point of view you have to have experienced it yourself.

I have, and I did the opposite - got on with it and welcomed the guy into the group. Now, the guy was really up for helping out and I couldn't fault his effort but the language barrier and the fact he thought in a completely different way to the rest of the group proved to be a constant battle, one I had to work VERY hard to overcome (And thus, the project took up more time than other groups projects did) and I'm not sure my marks where as good as they could have been as a result.
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On the bright side you would have improved your self as a whole, even if it was not reflected in the mark. Not to mention it is good training for how it is in industry (thus why my group project teams were random).
 
Im in a similar situation at uni, we've been put into groups of 5 and one girl I think is greek and although can speak it ok she finds it very hard to understand what we are all saying to each other, we've just been speaking slower so she can understand and doing a lot of the work via emailing each other which she understands a lot easier. I think its pretty crappy of you to do that, repeating whats been said, imagine being in his shoes.
 
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