Watchmen

[sarutobi]

- The story was pants.

no

i agree with most of what you said up there. Im a fan of the comic and i understood that there would be a lot missing from the film, there is far too much to put from paper to screen.

but i dont accept for one minute that someone can think the story is pants. I can understand that the lack of tension and build up (which i noticed was missing and that the comic was drowning in), but if you take a step back and look at only the story and not how it is told, how can you think it was rubbish?

 

[Russinating]

no

i agree with most of what you said up there. Im a fan of the comic and i understood that there would be a lot missing from the film, there is far too much to put from paper to screen.

but i dont accept for one minute that someone can think the story is pants. I can understand that the lack of tension and build up (which i noticed was missing and that the comic was drowning in), but if you take a step back and look at only the story and not how it is told, how can you think it was rubbish?

Mainly because it wasn't particularly clear what happened at the end. Was the 'machine to look like Dr Manhattan' built to kill all of mankind, or just defer the nuclear war as happened? If the latter why did he want all of the Watchmen dead? And if the former then what was the intended outcome and how was that going to achieve peace?

 

[Tom84]

Mainly because it wasn't particularly clear what happened at the end. Was the 'machine to look like Dr Manhattan' built to kill all of mankind, or just defer the nuclear war as happened? If the latter why did he want all of the Watchmen dead? And if the former then what was the intended outcome and how was that going to achieve peace?

It was to stop the nuclear war and because the Watchmen didn't realise this was his plan all along they were trying to stop him hence why he had The Comedian killed. When it all became clear Dr Manhattan agreed with the reasoning behind the attack, Rorschach objected hence why Manhattan off'd him as well. To sum up for the good of mankind it had to be thought that it was Dr Manhattan behind the attacks otherwise the piece treaty would have gone out of the window

All a bit crap I know

 

[A.N.Other]

I liked it in the same way I liked Spirit and Sin City - a bit of mindless entertainment. I haven't read Watchmen, but for me the plot was fairly fun ... when it actually got going. There was a bit too much of the character profiling going on, really - they could easily have trimmed the film down to make it more punchy without losing that much critical information.

 

[oddjob62]

I still don't understand... do the main characters have superpowers (apart from the obvious Dr Manhatten)? I though they were just "cops who put on masks"

Went with 2 others and none of us had much good to say about the film when we came out.

I imagine if we had read the books we would enjoy the film more, as we would have more of an understanding of the characters... but as a stand alone film we all agreed that it was poor

 

[True_Scotsman]

I imagine if we had read the books we would enjoy the film more, as we would have more of an understanding of the characters... but as a stand alone film we all agreed that it was poor

This is the way i feel also, saw it the other night and felt i didnt understand it at all.

Might try and get a hold of the book to see if that explains it a bit more and give me the understanding of the film.

 

[oddjob62]

Might try and get a hold of the book to see if that explains it a bit more and give me the understanding of the film.

Yeah... after hearing so many people say how brilliant it is, i'm going to do the same.

 

[Nimzicki]

Saw this last night, must say i thought it was pretty pants.

Only reason I understood some of it was because I read the article in the Metro paper last week.

Seems like you need to have read the comic to understand it properly.

Too much blue wang on screen... although it was worth watching for the bird to get her kit off.

I dont think you needed to have read the comic to understand it (I haven't read it) but a basic grasp of some of the biggest events in recent history would help, im not old enough to remember the Cold War either but it doesn't make me ignorant of it.

Childish statements like "too much blue wang" and "worth watching for the bird to get her kit off" makes me think this film might have been a bit outside of your normal tastes, maybe they will make another american pie for you soon

Also:

- Ridiculous music that people think's a good choice because it's by a "visionary director" and is therefore artistic and must have some deep thought behind it - Dambusters for Vietnam?

lol wut? Dambusters? The main Vietnam scene music was Ride of the Valkyries, used in Apocalypse Now, about....you know...Vietnam...

 

[Sweetloaf]

I don't understand why people are saying that you need to read the graphic novel to understand it?

What's so difficult to understand?

 

[jrodga2k5]

I don't understand why people are saying that you need to read the graphic novel to understand it?

What's so difficult to understand?

Exactly I completely got what the film was about and the ending however the ending itself regardless of anything was just in general pretty damn crappy!

I enjoyed the movie....particularly the comedian character....up until the final 40 minutes or so. Is it just me or did anyone think the sequence in mars was just that bit too long, it really really killed the movie IMO and the rest seemed to drag out from there.

Shame it ended the way that it did though even although I got the point of it all it's different from the one in the novel yeah?! *Edit* Just read up on what the ending was supposed to be.....I dunno what would have been better now!

 

[Sweetloaf]

I liked the ending, however I can't quite put my finger on what it was but everyone seemed to take the outcome a little too lightly.

With the possible exception of Rorschach.

Oh and the film also contained the best use of a Hendrix track since Withnail and I

 

[Knubje]

I liked the ending, however I can't quite put my finger on what it was but everyone seemed to take the outcome a little too lightly.

With the possible exception of Rorschach.

Oh and the film also contained the best use of a Hendrix track since Withnail and I

All along the watchtower

I thought that too as I was watching it. As I said before I thought it was really good, seemed a more grownup/darker superhero film.

Had some violence and nudity for all the voilent nudists out there and at the same time was a pretty good story. The ending was a little "ah ffs" for me as I hadn't read the graphic novel.

Also wasn't happy with RotenCrotch's ending, he was the best character in my opinion

 

[Sweetloaf]

All along the watchtower


** SPOILERS**

Spoilers mate, not everyone's seen it yet

 

[Chojin]

Saw this today and really enjoyed it, I would rate it 4/5. A few thoughts of mine:

- Despite its length I don't think it had much depth, so I can't see myself watching it again soon. I felt the same way about 300 too.
- Some of the music scenes felt a little forced. I half expected the characters to break the fourth wall.
- I think I would have preferred seeing a Watchmen film/mini series made in the 80s with some input from Alan Moore.

 

[Nitefly]

I realised today that Dr. Manhattan's reasoning for finding life incredible regarding chance is actually one of the most panned arguments for creationism that exists.

He was supposed to be clever! Silly Manhattan and his use of backwards mathematics!

 

[Russinating]

lol wut? Dambusters? The main Vietnam scene music was Ride of the Valkyries, used in Apocalypse Now, about....you know...Vietnam...

Yeah my bad. Still an awful choice... the fact that it was used in another film on a similar topic is regardless.

I don't understand why people are saying that you need to read the graphic novel to understand it?

What's so difficult to understand?

Why are they so super strong/quick?

 

[Russinating]

It was to stop the nuclear war and because the Watchmen didn't realise this was his plan all along they were trying to stop him hence why he had The Comedian killed. When it all became clear Dr Manhattan agreed with the reasoning behind the attack, Rorschach objected hence why Manhattan off'd him as well. To sum up for the good of mankind it had to be thought that it was Dr Manhattan behind the attacks otherwise the piece treaty would have gone out of the window

All a bit crap I know

Wasn't the only reason Rawshank started to investigate things (and hence somehow stumble across the fact that it was the clever guy behind it all) because of the fact that The Comedian got killed? If he hadn't have been then surely no-one would have tried to stop him as they just assumed he was trying to create a renewable and unlimited energy source?

 

[Sweetloaf]

WARNING-------POSSIBLE SPOILERS!!!!

Why are they so super strong/quick?

I'm not sure but that wasn't desperately relevant to the plot, it would appear that they were merely, strong/fast humans in very much a Batman mould, the only real thing to suggest otherwise was the fight in the opening scenes where they took a ridiculous amount of punishment which would kill a man irrespective of any training.

I'm sure a fan of the graphic novel will put this one straight in a minute....maybe?

Wasn't the only reason Rawshank started to investigate things (and hence somehow stumble across the fact that it was the clever guy behind it all) because of the fact that The Comedian got killed? If he hadn't have been then surely no-one would have tried to stop him as they just assumed he was trying to create a renewable and unlimited energy source?

Yes but The Comedian had found out the truth and therefore had to be silenced.

Dammit, now I'm putting spoilers in!

 

[Cemetery]

Wasn't the only reason Rawshank started to investigate things (and hence somehow stumble across the fact that it was the clever guy behind it all) because of the fact that The Comedian got killed? If he hadn't have been then surely no-one would have tried to stop him as they just assumed he was trying to create a renewable and unlimited energy source?

It was the reason yes, but the reason the comedian was killed as was explained in the film, was that he had been watching the watchmen & discovered what Ozzy was planning & couldn't handle it - the confession to his enemy - and so the plan would be ruined...so he had to kill off that thread.

 

[strudey]

People, it's Rorschach. Like the test.