Watchmen

Just got back from this and it was poor imo

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Came across as a film that just tried to hard and forgot to get the fundamentals right

Acting was poor in parts (when they go into the bar and breaks that guy's fingers, that's some of the worst acting I've ever seen ) (When Rorschach was killed by John at the end and Batman wannabe was like nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo....)
The Narrative was.......original
The soundtrack was AWFUL
Relied heavily on its CGI

Jimi Hendrix and Hallelujah in a film like this? WTF. :o

I feel this is a case of, hey everyone else is saying this film is awesome so I'll jump on the bandwagon of awesomeness whilst I'm at it!

Ah well at least i got to see a nice pair.






























OF BLUE BALLS!
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just back from it

i've never heard of or read the comics so was going in blind. obviously there is a lot more to them because that film was a complete mind ****

great action scenes and all the rest though. i'm just glad we booked the VIP suite with lazy boy seats for it :)
 
Not at all. Some of the things I didn't like (I've tried to forget that I wasted my whole evening on it):

- Way too long. Could easily cut an hour out.
- No tension or build up particularly.
- Random character storylines throughout, in no particular order, at no particular point and in varying detail (and for some, no background at all).
- Stupid amount of plot holes and unexplainables - i.e. where did the blue tiger come from, why does Rawshank's (sp?) mask move, where did all the Egyptian-loving come from suddenly at the end, why does a man who can change any matter he wants still insist on breaking through a glass roof with his fist to catch the villain aimlessly, how/why are the seemingly normal people super-strong. I am aware that these things are probably explained in the comics, but if a film is made it should be able to stand up on its own.
- The story was pants.
- Ridiculous music that people think's a good choice because it's by a "visionary director" and is therefore artistic and must have some deep thought behind it - Dambusters for Vietnam? Hallelujah for a sex scene? Great.
- Sex scene was ridiculous and only in the film because a) it can be and b) it looks good (like most of the rest of the film).

That's a snippet. I could write more if a) I could be bothered and b) I wasn't trying to forget the film.


tru dat, but i still semi liked it.

nit was no where near as good as the hype (what depth?). I have just bought to comic to see if that can redeem itself.
 
I loved the film, i finished the novel the day before going and could see much more right about the film than wrong!
 
5/6 out of 10 for me I'm afraid.

Haven't read the book and followed 90% of the storyline, few gaps as have been pointed out by rghjones.

I just found some parts were excellant (starting montage) but some parts were very slow or poorly acted. There wasn't a build up of tension and in the slow parts I felt very aware of the fact I was watching a film (not good for immersion)

Still don't understand why the comedian went crying to his enemy, or who his enemy even was???

a lot of people came out disatisfied, overheard people talking saying they fell asleep, thought it was too long, thought it was crap etc.
 
I understand this is based on a comic book, having never read any of it would I still enjoy it or are there loads of things you need to know previously to understand fully what is goin on?
 
I liked the film but I thought going in I would like it a lot more, maybe love the film? I really enjoyed recent graphic novels to films: Sin City and V for Vendetta and 300 was alright but watching these films they just felt like better films/stories to me then watchmen. With all the hype of "the mother of all graphic novels" I thought this films story would be better than Sin City and V. I understand that changes were made to the ending and not all the plot line/subplots would be in the film, but it just didn't seem to fully gel and work for me.

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I LOVED Rorschachs character, but I guess that was the way it was meant to be? Loved his screen time and story minus the end cause he was sort of the only good guy left. Unless you want to say the kill 1 save x amount, the whole idea of a world peace i felt was stupid and unreal. The intro as many people have said was great, really good build up and helped put the timeline in place for the film. Nixon was pretty lol with that terrible fake nose and the actual actor for me just didnt work. The voice was there sure but it felt just really fake and forced when I saw any scene with Nixon in.

Overall I liked the film and would watch it again, but I'm also slightly disappointed by it. Just niggly little things really. I will most likely buy the book and read it cause I liked the ideas and some of the characters.
 
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I loved it - did it justice in my opinion, however people walked out of the showing I was in, which was a shame, I think it is a rather deep and dense film and isn't all about good-guys battling evil in the simplistic sense - think you have to look deeper.

If they overloaded it with everything from the comic, I think the film would just have too much info in it - and it was already packed.

The person that cast Rorschach is a genius, the guy was perfect - when I saw the actor on the interviews, I just thought "What? This guy, he is bald, and looks nothing like him" then when he was in place, it was perfect.

I think Watchmen needed to be read first to fully absorb it all, or at least have a comic fan explain it a bit too you.

I think a lot of folk walked in expecting a no-holds barred action comic adventure with a little bit of plot when in reality it isn't that and that is why they were disappointed.

Rich
 
SPOILER WARNING - Tried to explain some of it to RGHJones - if you don't want to know some facts don't read!

Not at all. Some of the things I didn't like (I've tried to forget that I wasted my whole evening on it):

- Way too long. Could easily cut an hour out.

It was long yes, but it need that to really stay true to the graphic novel - it did have bits missing still, any more would ruin it - I'd recommend reading the graphic novel.

- No tension or build up particularly.

I'll semi agree with this, the build up I had in my head was knowing what scenes were coming up from reading the graphic novel.

- Random character storylines throughout, in no particular order, at no particular point and in varying detail (and for some, no background at all).

This was a bit jumpy about for me, but then I guess they tried to fit in as much about all the characters as possible without ruining the flow of the film

- Stupid amount of plot holes and unexplainables - i.e. where did the blue tiger come from, why does Rawshank's (sp?) mask move, where did all the Egyptian-loving come from suddenly at the end, why does a man who can change any matter he wants still insist on breaking through a glass roof with his fist to catch the villain aimlessly, how/why are the seemingly normal people super-strong. I am aware that these things are probably explained in the comics, but if a film is made it should be able to stand up on its own.

The tiger, was a genetically altered pet - that wasn't explained at all and to be honest, either should have been or just left out - I think that was rather confusing to folk coming into it not reading it first.

Adrian travelled the world and admired people that brought the world to peace / utopia. It mention that he wanted/needed to be like Alexander the Great and the whole premise is a metaphor for the "Gordian Knot" story of how alexander the great solved the unsolvable knot by simply cutting it with his sword - that was what he was doing at the end, solving the knot (cold war) with different thinking.

Rorschach's mask in the novel was originally made from a custom made dress - that was made of latex with ink in between. He cut it and sealed it into his mask and admired it because it was black and white (never grey) and represented his Kantian stance on everything is right or wrong, never a grey area. This I think myself is also doubled in that it looks like a Rorschach test - a subjective way of viewing an image, rather than an objective way of black and white - thats why at the end I think Rorschach thinks that what is happening is right, but cannot bring himself to agree - and thats why he is crying and says "DO IT!" when Dr. Manhattan kills him.

Thats just my view on it though - I do like the two ideas of black and white (objective) and Rorschach test (subjective) mixed into the mask.

- The story was pants.

Can't change your mind on this! I do find it a shame but if we all liked the same thing we'd be boring - I am glad you gave it a chance though - a lot of people just plain wouldn't

- Ridiculous music that people think's a good choice because it's by a "visionary director" and is therefore artistic and must have some deep thought behind it - Dambusters for Vietnam? Hallelujah for a sex scene? Great.

I did think the music was a bit off in places, but it was Ride of the valkyries not dambusters :p Also the whole bit of Hallelujah in the sex scene is more leaning toward how Dreiburg/Nite Owl was unable to perform sexually at first but can when it is costumed (Part of his character was meant to address the whole sexual angle about why people would dress in costumes)

- Sex scene was ridiculous and only in the film because a) it can be and b) it looks good (like most of the rest of the film).

For the book it made a lot of sense, I think they did go to quite a big degree to fit it into the film - I thought maybe it could have been done differently.

That's a snippet. I could write more if a) I could be bothered and b) I wasn't trying to forget the film.

Hope I cleared up some of the bits of the film for you :)

Rich
 
Its a very good film, The wife and myself thoroughly enjoyed it, and neither of us have ever read the Watchmen either.

I think, again, its a film that demands a little bit more of the viewer than some people seem to be able to give.
 
way way way way too long..

sounds like im in the minority here, but i didnt like it

apart from some cool cgi stuff i just felt that it missed the mark. all felt wishy washy with like of clear direction to the story

and did i say it was a tad too long ?
 
I saw this last night, and have not read the graphic novel, so wasn't sure what it was going to be about. Have to say Overall I thought the film was good, Probably a 7/10.
Loads of action, quite gory in places and I now fancy Malin Ackerman! :D

(SPOLIERS ALERT......SPOLIERS ALERT........SPOLIERS ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!)

However, a couple of things annoyed me:
1. Did we really need to see all of Dr.Manhattan's anatomy, so many times in the film, I mean I really didn't need that :eek:
2. I didn't like the ending, but if that was the original story i guess they couldn't exactly change it, but yeah world peace- gime me a break... Millions dead to save billions! (****ED ME OFF!) They should at least of killed Adrain too!
3. Didn't see enough of Malin Ackerman! ;):D:D:D


(SPOLIERS ALERT......SPOLIERS ALERT........SPOLIERS ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!)
 
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for me the movie was pretentious; where is the complex "omg how clever moment"? Without using spoilers, it seems to be loosely based on tragedy. that isnt new.

After that, the characters are fairly unoriginal. Some are acted better than others. The bad are just SO bad (veidt, silk spectre owlman). The saviours are the commendable comedian and rorshank.

I thought the Joker was a scarier, cleverer more complex character than anything in the watchmen (and indeed most movies). For me the dark knight was superior because it took a very basic narrative and made it phenomenal with a superb score and one of the most compelling characters ever to be put on screen (which is what shakespeare did with his plays)
 
Saw it last night. Loved it.
Felt if followed the graphic novel pretty faithfully bar the ending.
Cant wait for the Blu-ray with seamless linking to the "Tales of the Black freighter" story.

Suppose its one of those movies that helps if you've read the graphic novel upmteen times over the past 10 years

Much better conversion from paper to screen than the wowcowski brothers did of V for Vendetta. They should be made to work with Uwe Bolle from now on.
 
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