Watercooling a TJ11

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Right so after initially buying a TJ11 from OcUK when they were on offer, I then sent it back after deciding that it would be too awkward trying to fit in the watercooling that I wanted.

I've now bought rjk's TJ11 and don't have the option of sending it back, so gonna have to try to make it work. Although initially I'll probably run it air cooled I do expect I'll end up watercooling eventually.
So was hoping I might be able to get a bit of advice.

I'm hoping to cool 3 (maybe 4) graphics cards (currently 670s), a 3930K and quite possibly the R IV E chipset.

I'd prefer not to mount the pumps in the 5¼" bays as I've had issues with vibrations before. I'm ok with a bay res though, in fact might actually prefer it so I can easily see coolant level.

I'd like to use 2 x D5 pumps. Partly as I'm hoping it'll mean I can run them on a slower speed, but also to give me some redundancy. Where can I place the pumps?

I'll probably put a 120mm rad on the top exhaust. In the bottom I'm not sure whether to try to fit a 560mm and 280mm (probably XSPC EX rads) or go with a 480mm and 240mm (again probably XSPC EX rads).
My concern with 140mm rads is finding decent fans, where as with 120mm rads I can just use my GTs.
Also I believe the 120mm EX rads have multiport options. I was thinking with one of these I could fit a QR fitting to one of the unused connection and then plug the other end of the QR in when I wanted to drain the loop. Do QR fittings seal well enough to make this viable?

My other option is to put the pumps (and res) in the lower section and then use an external 1080mm rad and stand?

Also with the cpu block, do you need to change the orientation in a case like the TJ11 where the motherboard is rotated? Is there a right way up for a EK Supreme HF block?

Thanks.
 
GoogalyMoogaly said:
Right so after initially buying a TJ11 from OcUK when they were on offer, I then sent it back after deciding that it would be too awkward trying to fit in the watercooling that I wanted.

I've now bought rjk's TJ11 and don't have the option of sending it back, so gonna have to try to make it work. Although initially I'll probably run it air cooled I do expect I'll end up watercooling eventually.
So was hoping I might be able to get a bit of advice.

I'm hoping to cool 3 (maybe 4) graphics cards (currently 670s), a 3930K and quite possibly the R IV E chipset.

I'd prefer not to mount the pumps in the 5¼" bays as I've had issues with vibrations before. I'm ok with a bay res though, in fact might actually prefer it so I can easily see coolant level.
2 of these maybe?
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=WC-140-XS&groupid=962&catid=2141&subcat=2142
I', planning on just suspending them in my drive bays, are you having dual loop or just 2 pumps in series?

I'd like to use 2 x D5 pumps. Partly as I'm hoping it'll mean I can run them on a slower speed, but also to give me some redundancy. Where can I place the pumps?

I'll probably put a 120mm rad on the top exhaust.
EX?
In the bottom I'm not sure whether to try to fit a 560mm and 280mm (probably XSPC EX rads) or go with a 480mm and 240mm (again probably XSPC EX rads).
My concern with 140mm rads is finding decent fans, where as with 120mm rads I can just use my GTs.
I'd stick with the 120mm variants
Also I believe the 120mm EX rads have multiport options. I was thinking with one of these I could fit a QR fitting to one of the unused connection and then plug the other end of the QR in when I wanted to drain the loop. Do QR fittings seal well enough to make this viable?
yep, this is great idea :)

My other option is to put the pumps (and res) in the lower section and then use an external 1080mm rad and stand?
Bit of a waste of the TJ11's capabilities IMO, it is ultimately your choice though

Also with the cpu block, do you need to change the orientation in a case like the TJ11 where the motherboard is rotated? Is there a right way up for a EK Supreme HF block?
Keep it orientated up to the top of the mobo. If you decide to flip it, there shouldn't be a massive change in temperatures either though

Thanks.
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Thanks Cleeecooo, hoped you'd drop by :)

Since I'll be mounting 3 3½" HDDs in the 5¼ bays I don't think I'd have room for 2 of those bay-res pump combos.
In my head I'm planning USB2+3 panel, fan controller, Blu-Ray drive, DVD-RW and the 3 HDDs (I believe the cage that comes with the TJ11 can be mounting in the 5¼" bays?). So that only leaves 2 free slots.

Going for 2 pumps in series (hence redundancy, unless I've misunderstood that bit).

As for the top exhaust, I was planning on using a EX120, if only to keep all the rads the same. Suppose I could use a RX120 or SR-1 120.

It's a pity about there not being any decent 40mm rads fans, or at least nothing quite at the GT level. I did consider using a bunch of 120mm to 140mm adaptors, but then I'd probably get issues with screw lengths. On the plus side the adaptors would probably act like small shroud.

I don't really want to use the external rad, partly as I couldn't done that with my current HAF932. But it's an option if I'm not happy with anything else.
 
Keep us updated m8 I'm planning an epic build using that case next year. Unless they bring a new case out by then. As I've seen pictures of a tj12 case which can house up to 6 dual slot cards. But it's all gone quite.
Couldn't you go with a 480 or 560 in the bottom and a 240 in the top?
Gl with the build m8 get some pictures up
 
fantasticCG said:
Keep us updated m8 I'm planning an epic build using that case next year. Unless they bring a new case out by then. As I've seen pictures of a tj12 case which can house up to 6 dual slot cards. But it's all gone quite.
Couldn't you go with a 480 or 560 in the bottom and a 240 in the top?
Gl with the build m8 get some pictures up
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Not sure you could get a 240 up the top due to it only having 1 fan opening there.
 
Ah, doesn't matter anyway.

I thought the TJ11 came with 3 SSD mounts but apparently it's only supplied with 2 (despite what the reviews on the web show you, I guess they got different packs to customers).
That means I wont be able to watercool in it as I wont have the room :(
Annoying as I could've aircooled the system in a FT02 and saved a load of money.
 
GoogalyMoogaly said:
Ah, doesn't matter anyway.

I thought the TJ11 came with 3 SSD mounts but apparently it's only supplied with 2 (despite what the reviews on the web show you, I guess they got different packs to customers).
That means I wont be able to watercool in it as I wont have the room :(
Annoying as I could've aircooled the system in a FT02 and saved a load of money.
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It does mine came with 3 mounts ? Not sure why the little SSD's would effect your build you could fit 20 + SSD's in very little space ?:confused:

Bar
 
Now I've seen the new XSPC rads I've decided to not give up on this completely...

I've measured and I've had to face the fact I wont be able to get a triple and a quad rad in the bottom along with my AX1200 :(

So that leaves me with the question of do I replace the AX1200 with 2 shorter ~750W PSU and use one PSU just for the graphics cards (hopefully 3 x 670s) and go with 2 x 360mm rads down the bottom or do I keep the AX1200 and go with a 480 and 240?

The nice thing about the 2 PSUs and 360 rads is the airflow between rads. The obvious downside is having to have 2 PSUs. A pain when I change case if the new case can only fit 1 PSU.
The nice thing about the 480 + 240 is that I can keep the AX1200. The downside is that it means one rad/fan will be blowing/sucking onto the side of the PSU (I'm guessing there will be about a 5cm gap?).

Which then leads me to the next question of, if going with the 480 + 240, is it better to have the 240mm sucking air in and the 480mm blowing it out (mean the intake fans are on the same side as the PSU intake) or is it better to have the 480mm sucking air in and the 240mm exhausting?
 
I thought I'd seen TJ11s where both rads were exhaust, so you didn't pass hot air from one to the next, can you not do that?

I had seen an article testing out having two rads next to each other like that, and it really wrecked the performance of the second rad, having the hot air coming through it. Can't remember the place I saw that off the top of my head, though.
 
It wont quite be the sandwich as they did it, I'm hoping a for a 5-6cm gap between the rads.
If all fans are blowing out I'm not sure where the fresh air will come in (to be blown out).

Guess I could have both as intakes, but I imagine that would have issues too.
 
Will it not pull it from above? I'm not sure what venting or space it has on the mid plate though? Needs a better person than me to figure out where the air would pull from if the mid plate is solid :)
 
No venting on the mid-plate. There will probably be a small gap above the radiators as you can fit 140mm radiators in there but I plan to use 120mm (better selection of radiators and fans).

I'd be interested to know how other have configured theirs and to a lesser extent TJ07s, but they have holes in the mid-plate (I believe) so may not be quite the same.
 
I would advise not getting to ambitious with the lower section, I have seen TJ11 rigs with two rads but it is *tight* and you will need to custom cut all of your cables.

My two MCPx pumps are quite loud anyway at full chat but my experience with the EK top and res has been that vibration is not a problem with that kit.

Here is my story with the TJ11 build.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18385715
 
Besty said:
I would advise not getting to ambitious with the lower section, I have seen TJ11 rigs with two rads but it is *tight* and you will need to custom cut all of your cables.

My two MCPx pumps are quite loud anyway at full chat but my experience with the EK top and res has been that vibration is not a problem with that kit.

Here is my story with the TJ11 build.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18385715
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Oh don't say that, it makes the entire case purchase pointless for me if that's true.
If I can't get a quad a dual and a single rad in there then I'll have to ditch the case and get something better. Maybe keep it for if I go back to air cooling but it seems like an FT02 would be better for air cooling.

I always hear people saying how much room there is in a TJ11, so this news is very disappointing.
 
Besty said:
I would advise not getting to ambitious with the lower section, I have seen TJ11 rigs with two rads but it is *tight* and you will need to custom cut all of your cables.
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This is true with thick rads, but with slim ones you can get away with normal length cables, just have to be nifty with the management
 
I went double quad in the bottom (RX480) and a single up the top.

I reckon you could get a five rad black-ice in the bottom with slim-line fans. I used a single bank of typhoons on the quad, there is no way you could do a push pull config with typhoons and retain the RX480.

For tri-fire, my main issue has been flow-rate, not surface area, I would say that you should plan the pipework simply and avoid using a full cover motherboard block.

I went totally OTT with my build but it is compromised on flow-rate, I would not be able to do Quad-fire unless all components are clocked to stock.
 
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