Welsh Independance

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Doesn't matter, you went back and changed that text from what you had originally said.

Posting the text that you replaced it with means nothing.

No I added to the text, to clarify at your request what I meant by international recognition of Scotland as a [independent] Country.

That doesn't warrant your antagonistic and insulting attitude, but hey what can you expect....You're a nationalist. :p
 
I think the benefits outway the cons.

£54bn is a significant amount for England in my books.
Yes it is a huge amount of money, and given that the UK is overspent by circa £150Bn, cutting ourselves off would surely save even more money? Still, I think it would be a shame. And not because I'm an Englishman that wants to laud it over our home nations because we conquered them all, but because I'm proud to be British.

Of the three, I think Scotland is the only one that would have a chance, I think for Wales it would be a catastrophic mistake, as it would be for Northern Ireland. And for everyone, I think it would be a shame.
 
No I added to the text, to clarify at your request what I meant by international recognition of Scotland as a [independent] Country.

That doesn't warrant your antagonistic and insulting attitude, but hey what can you expect....You're a nationalist. :p

No you removed text. Reworded it completely.

Why would we be talking about Scotland as an independent country and its recognition as such as if it were currently fact?

That would be discussing things that have not happened, and we weren't.

And generalisations to boot huh..

Lies... what else can you expect from a walter mitty character.
 
Yes it is a huge amount of money, and given that the UK is overspent by circa £150Bn, cutting ourselves off would surely save even more money? Still, I think it would be a shame. And not because I'm an Englishman that wants to laud it over our home nations because we conquered them all, but because I'm proud to be British.

Of the three, I think Scotland is the only one that would have a chance, I think for Wales it would be a catastrophic mistake, as it would be for Northern Ireland. And for everyone, I think it would be a shame.

I think it should be done.

It would fix more problems and arguments than it would create.

As for 'being able to afford it' on your own, thats a chance that would have to be taken. All countries run decifits.
 
give them independance and let them claim all the scotish and welsh taxs dont give them anything let them claim it all. england people pay for there free prescriptions that we dont get
 
No you removed text. Reworded it completely.

Why would we be talking about Scotland as an independent country and its recognition as such as if it were currently fact?

That would be discussing things that have not happened, and we weren't.

And generalisations to boot huh..

Lies... what else can you expect from a walter mitty character.


You are the liar, the original quote is plain in your quote asking me to clarify.

Originally Posted by Gaidin109

Scotland has no independent recognition externally from the UK, it has no Embassies in other Countries. The UK Govt retain all power over the Scotland politically (devolution is can be repealed at any time). Powers are granted to Scotland by Westminister, not relinguished by them.
I added to make it more clear as you asked.

We were not talking about it, Jas72 was, when I made a comment that Scotland was a region of the UK. He questioned my use of Region in relation to Scotland within the UK, a fair point.

You just decided to get on your high horse about the fact that Scottland has no real power except what is ceded by Westminster.

And we were talking about things that had not yet happened as the Debates had not taken place....Liar.
 
give them independance and let them claim all the scotish and welsh taxs dont give them anything let them claim it all. england people pay for there free prescriptions that we dont get

Thats too much of a simplistic and disgruntled view for my liking.

But given the potential feeling for this in England, why is there no political party representing this sectrum of political feeling?

Why does it seem that if independence is going to come, it can't come from England itself?

Afterall, it was England that started this ball rolling in the first place.
 
You are the liar, the original quote is plain in your quote asking me to clarify.

I added to make it more clear as you asked.

We were not talking about it, Jas72 was, when I made a comment that Scotland was a region of the UK. He questioned my use of Region in relation to Scotland within the UK, a fair point.

You just decided to get on your high horse about the fact that Scottland has no real power except what is ceded by Westminster.

And we were talking about things that had not yet happened as the Debates had not taken place....Liar.

Post 237 from Gaiden; Edited

Scotland is not a separate sovereign state, so while culturally it is a nation, it is not an independent Country, neither is it a sovereign State.

Scotland has no independent recognition externally from the UK, it has no Embassies in other Countries. The UK Govt retain all power over the Scotland politically (devolution is can be repealed at any time). Powers are granted to Scotland by Westminister, not relinguished by them.

So while Scotland is a Nation, it is also a region of the United Kingdom, as it is an adminstrative territory of the UK.

Each nation within the UK is also sub-divided into political regions etc, but as I was using the term Region in it's descriptive sense rather than a political one, just as you could say England is a region of the UK, or that the UK is a region of Europe and so on. You are just being pedantic.

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This is my quote of you in post 240 (before you edited your post as above highlighted in bold);

Gaiden said:
Scotland has no independent recognition externally from the UK, it has no Embassies in other Countries. The UK Govt retain all power over the Scotland politically (devolution is can be repealed at any time). Powers are granted to Scotland by Westminister, not relinguished by them.

I can see a considerable difference here liar.

As I said before, I didn't actually catch in quote, or bother to at the time, the one sentence you said that Scotland was not a country in its own right. You kept editing your responses too much to try and reflect what you were learning from the debate.

No, you took the hump because you were trying to impress your newly found peers here and didn't realise who you got into an argument with - someone who can see through lies obfuscation and twisted logic rather easily.

You then went on to try and make assertions that I had claimed to you that Scotland was actually in fact currently an independent country!

Lies obfuscation and fantasies, nothing more nothing less.

Gaiden said:
Scotland has no independent recognition externally from the UK

Do you still stand by this comment Gaiden?
 
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This is my quote of you in post 240 (before you edited your post as above highlighted in bold);



I can see a considerable difference here liar.

As I said before, I didn't actually catch in quote, or bother to at the time, the one sentence you said that Scotland was not a country in its own right. You kept editing your responses too much to try and reflect what you were learning from the debate.

No, you took the hump because you were trying to impress your newly found peers here and didn't realise who you got into an argument with - someone who can see through lies obfuscation and twisted logic rather easily.

Like I said I added to the post to clarify, and I said 'Scotland wasn't a country in it own right', can you prove that?

You are the Liar here, my case was simply put, I clarified a statement as you asked, there are no lies here, only the one that you are attempting to portray though stating it as often as you can. :rolleyes:
 
Like I said I added to the post to clarify, and I said 'Scotland wasn't a country in it own right', can you prove that?

You are the Liar here, my case was simply put, I clarified a statement as you asked, there are no lies here, only the one that you are attempting to portray though stating it as often as you can. :rolleyes:


Gaiden said:
Scotland has no independent recognition externally from the UK

;)

Do you still stand by this comment Gaiden?

No you went back and changed the answer because you didn't want to be held accountable to such a moronic comment.

I am no liar, your the liar. Liar liar pants on fire.
 
One of my mates is from Swansea and very proud to be Welsh. He sent me a pic of his desk at work on Fri, it was completely decked out in German Flags and banners. He said he will spend Sunday morning playing the German national anthem before the match :D
Apparently he belongs to the Anyone But England club!!!

Sooner they get independance the better as far as Im concerned...
 
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Originally Posted by Gaiden
Scotland has no independent recognition externally from the UK


Do you still stand by this comment Gaiden?
So now you make up comments I never made. You might want to spell my username correctly if you want to actually make it believable. Liar

And yes I agree with it regardless , Scotland doesn't have any recognition internationally as being independent.
 
So now you make up comments I never made. You might want to spell my username correctly if you want to actually make it believable. Liar

:D

Here is you saying it, second sentence

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=16166971&postcount=237

Liar

And yes I agree with it regardless , Scotland doesn't have any recognition internationally as being independent.

Thats not what you said at the time liar there was no context of independence at all the thread wasn't even about that, this is what you said out of the blue stamping your feet:

Gaidin109 said:
Scotland has no independent recognition externally from the UK, it has no Embassies in other Countries.

And you have the audacity to call me a liar?

You just can't tell a story straight can you?

You then completely re-worded the whole post which was now on the previous page to save some face amongst your highly esteemed OcUK peers.

Sad pathetic little fantasist you are.
 
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