Wenger - 1000 games
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Even Fergie had he been destroyed in his 1000th game wouldnt have enjoyed that, dont think any manager would whether it be his first or 1000th game.
Still utterly bizarre just how easy we made it for Chelsea to smash 6 past us with barely a whimper from us. I know we have quite a few injuries at the moment and they are injuries to pretty important players for us but thats no excuse for what happened on Sat...we could and should have played with some pride. I wouldnt be so bothered if we lost 2-1 or 2-0 but losing by 6 goals without even scoring a goal...thats just diabolical really.
If he does go then i hope that at least we win the FA Cup for him so he can bow out on a high rather than a low. Its pretty obvious we need a fresh new approach now and that can only happen with a new manager at the helm. As much as i love Wenger, if we cant beat the top teams then we really have no right to be competing for the PL title imho.
Arsenal need as big a team / squad rebuild as Utd do really if only to really strengthen the mentality.
Arsenal were a little fortunate that Chelsea didnt really go for a few more goals (given their much lower g/d compared to City), they relaxed just a little too much in the 2nd half (which isnt that surprising really)
4 or 5 big players in the summer (and not just players on big wages) and they could turn the mentality around, but if te club try and do it bit by bit imo the weak mentality could continue for years.
The pretty football is great, but sometimes a decent amount of strength (directed in the right way and in the right place) is also required, and Arsenal havent had that for years to combat the bigger teams.
Arsenal were a little fortunate that Chelsea didnt really go for a few more goals (given their much lower g/d compared to City), they relaxed just a little too much in the 2nd half (which isnt that surprising really)
4 or 5 big players in the summer (and not just players on big wages) and they could turn the mentality around, but if te club try and do it bit by bit imo the weak mentality could continue for years.
The pretty football is great, but sometimes a decent amount of strength (directed in the right way and in the right place) is also required, and Arsenal havent had that for years to combat the bigger teams.
and well done for blatantly ignoring the main point as you always do.
Arsenal have had a shocking MENTALITY for years, changing one or two (or even four) players isnt going to change that ( after all over the last two seasons they must have changed /added a handful, yet the mentality is still the same)
Arsenal have had a shocking MENTALITY for years, changing one or two (or even four) players isnt going to change that ( after all over the last two seasons they must have changed /added a handful, yet the mentality is still the same)
No, but then again would you expect a player who has question marks over his own mentality in the big games to do that?
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Ozil was a completely known quantity by anyone that watched him for Germany or Real, I said before we bought him, when we bought him, and now, he disappears, he has a crap attitude and never fights hard. Mourinho didn't trust him, Ancelotti/real in general didn't trust him. 42million doesn't magically make someone good, a transfer price is about the people who make the deal, not the player. He had the "Arsenal" mentality to begin with, exactly the wrong type of player and Wenger as per usual made the wrong decision.
He's not strong enough to be good running into the box as a withdrawn striker/ultra offensive central mid, he's too lazy and weak to be a proper central midfielder, he's not fast enough nor strong enough to be a winger.
Di Maria last night cut through barcelona, Ozil in the same situation would have gone down of his own accord at the first man in each of those runs. He doesn't have to be the same type of player as Di Maria, but it just highlights where he can/can't play. he's no winger, not suited to central midfield against good defences of midfields, which is why he's overrun, out muscled, and disappears against good teams.
Sagna is a completely terrible defender, as is Gibbs. Mert/Kos are decent enough, Kos panics a hell of a lot and certain teams have exposed Mert's weaknesses, the only shock is more teams don't notice it and play the same way against him.
Gibbs was the worst player on the pitch by a massive margin against Chelsea, he was at fault for the first two goals and again out of position for the situation leading to the penalty.
I think a new manager can effect mentality, Martinez this year has done so, but old lingering problems still remain. Everton have looked like a different team for the majority of this season... yet when it came to Liverpool the timid "we're going to lose" last 5 years Everton team showed up. Considering they are Everton's biggest rival and the losses would have been the hardest to take it's not surprising that it's the situation that will be the hardest to "fix". Yes Liverpool were great but Everton was woeful. Also don't forget that Martinez got a new striker, new wingers/strikers and replaced the central midfield pairing completely. I'm not so sure their new attitude would have been so evident on the pitch using almost entirely the previous squad. He's changed 4-5 of the starting 11 to achieve this.
While I think a new manager can help the mentality issues, some fundamental changes will be required also.
Ozil has no place at any top four club, lazy, weak, shockingly poor attitude. I've literally never seen a player so unwilling to work the ball. If he gets caught on the wing without much support he'll get to the line then flop over praying for a freekick, other players do this now and then, but it's Ozil's default play, he does it so often it's embarrassing.
We've conceded quite a few goals directly from him simply giving up, flopping down and asking for an undeserved freekick where the opposition just runs at our goal.
Giroud is awful, nothing short of awful. Any striker could score the goals he does, in the games he does, it's the work of the rest of the team putting it into the 6 yard box, 99% of strikers would have a similar strike rate with the chances the team creates for him. He creates exceptionally little for others, and his general play is abysmal. Shouldn't be at the club, if we buy a top notch striker, he does not make for a competent back up striker. Arteta has also completely lost his way at Arsenal and is frankly not going to improve significantly at this point.
We need, 2 minimum, potentially 4 fullbacks, 2 world class 2 decent back up. We need two DM's, one top notch, one back up. One issue with Flamini is while the right attitude and not at all bad, he's been a sicknote for several years and frequently unfit this year. We need a world class DM and a back up, giving us the option for new great DM + flamini in tough games, and having a back up for either being injured. We need 1-2 wide players. Caz, Ozil, Ramsey are crap and ineffectual out wide, and we need 2 to 3 strikers. 2 top notch and a back up.
He's not strong enough to be good running into the box as a withdrawn striker/ultra offensive central mid, he's too lazy and weak to be a proper central midfielder, he's not fast enough nor strong enough to be a winger.
Di Maria last night cut through barcelona, Ozil in the same situation would have gone down of his own accord at the first man in each of those runs. He doesn't have to be the same type of player as Di Maria, but it just highlights where he can/can't play. he's no winger, not suited to central midfield against good defences of midfields, which is why he's overrun, out muscled, and disappears against good teams.
Sagna is a completely terrible defender, as is Gibbs. Mert/Kos are decent enough, Kos panics a hell of a lot and certain teams have exposed Mert's weaknesses, the only shock is more teams don't notice it and play the same way against him.
Gibbs was the worst player on the pitch by a massive margin against Chelsea, he was at fault for the first two goals and again out of position for the situation leading to the penalty.
I think a new manager can effect mentality, Martinez this year has done so, but old lingering problems still remain. Everton have looked like a different team for the majority of this season... yet when it came to Liverpool the timid "we're going to lose" last 5 years Everton team showed up. Considering they are Everton's biggest rival and the losses would have been the hardest to take it's not surprising that it's the situation that will be the hardest to "fix". Yes Liverpool were great but Everton was woeful. Also don't forget that Martinez got a new striker, new wingers/strikers and replaced the central midfield pairing completely. I'm not so sure their new attitude would have been so evident on the pitch using almost entirely the previous squad. He's changed 4-5 of the starting 11 to achieve this.
While I think a new manager can help the mentality issues, some fundamental changes will be required also.
Ozil has no place at any top four club, lazy, weak, shockingly poor attitude. I've literally never seen a player so unwilling to work the ball. If he gets caught on the wing without much support he'll get to the line then flop over praying for a freekick, other players do this now and then, but it's Ozil's default play, he does it so often it's embarrassing.
We've conceded quite a few goals directly from him simply giving up, flopping down and asking for an undeserved freekick where the opposition just runs at our goal.
Giroud is awful, nothing short of awful. Any striker could score the goals he does, in the games he does, it's the work of the rest of the team putting it into the 6 yard box, 99% of strikers would have a similar strike rate with the chances the team creates for him. He creates exceptionally little for others, and his general play is abysmal. Shouldn't be at the club, if we buy a top notch striker, he does not make for a competent back up striker. Arteta has also completely lost his way at Arsenal and is frankly not going to improve significantly at this point.
We need, 2 minimum, potentially 4 fullbacks, 2 world class 2 decent back up. We need two DM's, one top notch, one back up. One issue with Flamini is while the right attitude and not at all bad, he's been a sicknote for several years and frequently unfit this year. We need a world class DM and a back up, giving us the option for new great DM + flamini in tough games, and having a back up for either being injured. We need 1-2 wide players. Caz, Ozil, Ramsey are crap and ineffectual out wide, and we need 2 to 3 strikers. 2 top notch and a back up.
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You mean like you have just done for United?
Get a job Moses ffs, you're baiting of everything Frank posts is boring.
Player mentality is one of the things you always hear Brendan go about for us, its not some mythical stat on a Champ Manger spreadsheet its fairly indentifiable. You look to bring players in with mental toughness. Ozil, as you used him for your example, is a well know 'big game bottler' i.e. has weak mentality. He cant be relied upon to drag your team kicking and screaming through a difficuly game. Suarez is a perfect example of what is lacking in the Arsenal side.
It's nothing new though, Arsenal have had this issue for years, ever since Viera left. Where are your captains? Where are the leaders? Thats one of the 1st things that needs to be addressed in the summer, by Wenger, or whoever is his replacement.
Isnt it his fault he hasnt asked the club to get him these players though over the last 5 - 10 years (after all the club's scouts should be asked to look out for these qualities)
LOL brilliant now we have 2 Utd supporters in here bitching at each other
For me what DM said about what we need is about spot on..we need much more depth in our squad if we are to compete for the title and trophies...its really as simple as that. And id like to see us get those players in summer even if it takes £100mill to get them.
For me what DM said about what we need is about spot on..we need much more depth in our squad if we are to compete for the title and trophies...its really as simple as that. And id like to see us get those players in summer even if it takes £100mill to get them.
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He's had 100% control of the clubs finances since that time and our wage spend has increased from about 70mil to 160mil in that time frame, he's have a massive, massive amount of resources to do exactly nothing.
Sturridge was a no brainer buy, Liverpool got him on the cheap, he was obviously very talented and cost similar to Giroud, Gervinho, Podolski, AOC and significantly less than Caz and Ozil yet he's the best player of the lot.
We absolutely could have afforded him, the squad's quality is 100% down to Wenger. SPending 60k a week on Diaby, on his I believe 4th contract extension when he is actually crap to begin with let alone factoring in that he can't play. Diaby's wages have cost Arsenal in the region 20mil now(8 years averaging about 2.5mil a year).
If a new manager came in and had that squad, it wouldn't be his fault, but some of these players were barely 3-4 years old when he took over Arsenal, it's entirely his responsibility.
There is not a team in europe that has spent more and had less success.... fairly telling isn't that?
I forget what the stat was about how many teams have won trophies, be it their own divisions, lower league cup, fa cup, carling cup, europa/cl, prem league an astonishing amount of teams have won things and beaten Arsenal in the process for many of them, with Arsenal winning nothing.
At no other club in the world is there a manager who has had more influence in the players in their squad currently, it was Fergie, now it's Wenger.
hes looked pretty restricted for finance maybe it would have been better to not move stadium
Sturridge wasn't a no brainer because he was a flop at the time at both Chelsea and City Liverpool was desperate for a striker because of their stupid signings
and Liverpool has spent 309 million in the last 5 years compared to Arsenals 188 and Utd 267 so they are the third biggest spenders and not achieved anything behind City and Chelsea so moneys not everything
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For the love of christ, basic basis maths.
Stadium income increased 50mil from stadium move, repaying loan costs per year 15-20mil. We have at every single stage, every single second since moving had MORE money than when we were at Highbury. There is no chance, no way for Highbury to have made up the 50mil deficit, it was too small for more seats and would require rebuilding a stand to add in facilities to increase income from executive seats.
He has never, ever been financially constricted by the stadium. People keep suggesting we spent 42mil on ozil because the debt has been repayed and thus we aren't financially constricted any more. The only problem with that is the debt has not been repaid, it's still got another 10 years to go(probably at least). Nothing changed financially(with regards to the stadium) this year compared to last year, we had well over 100mil in the bank last season, this has been being built up for multiple years, available to be spent at any time. We spent this year because Wenger over rated Ozil and Ozil was being pimped out by Real to every club in Europe and we were the only ones stupid enough to think it was a great deal at that price. Another monumental error by Wenger.
At highbury 140-150mil a year wages would be completely unsustainable, we'd have made a HUGE loss with 50mil less income in the past two seasons.
Sturridge was in no way a flop at City or Chelsea, look up the stats, he was good at both while barely being played and showed every ounce of what he's showing now at Liverpool when he played. He got very few starts at either club, when he got games, he scored, simple as that really. He had a single season with Chelsea starting more than a handful of games and got 11 goals, 3 assists in 28 starts while playing out of position. At Bolton he got 8 goals in 11 games. His quality was incredibly evident from his first appearances at City to when he left for Liverpool.
What clubs spend on transfers is irrelevant, TOTAL spend is the only thing. Any manager can choose to spend 50mil on transfers a year or pay 50mil higher wages, it's a choice, Wenger made it. We have less money than Utd, so what, we outspend Liverpool quite significantly in wages(not that significantly) and that is because Liverpool have been poorly managed with the way they spent on wages and transfers for much of the past 5 years, and yet Liverpool still managed to win things.
As Liverpool are showing, Atletico are showing and Dortmund have shown, money isn't everything. It makes it far more likely you'll compete every year, but it's fully possible to assemble a fantastic quality squad with a vastly lower budget and wage bill. Wenger bought the wrong players, simple as that, no other excuse. 12mil on Giroud is 12mil that could have gone on a footballer instead. A vastly improved contract for Gibbs could instead of been probably a fairly decent transfer fee(because someone will go "he's English therefore great") and saved wages for someone who can actually defend.
Every major club in the world spends more on wages than transfers, there is obviously some leeway there for clubs who suddenly get injected with money and spend absurdly high in the first few years, but after 5-10 years their overall wage spending will surpass transfer spending by a large amount.
Arsenal have also had the benefit of getting some absurd fee's for players worth no where near the amount we got, Ade, Toure, Song.
Stadium income increased 50mil from stadium move, repaying loan costs per year 15-20mil. We have at every single stage, every single second since moving had MORE money than when we were at Highbury. There is no chance, no way for Highbury to have made up the 50mil deficit, it was too small for more seats and would require rebuilding a stand to add in facilities to increase income from executive seats.
He has never, ever been financially constricted by the stadium. People keep suggesting we spent 42mil on ozil because the debt has been repayed and thus we aren't financially constricted any more. The only problem with that is the debt has not been repaid, it's still got another 10 years to go(probably at least). Nothing changed financially(with regards to the stadium) this year compared to last year, we had well over 100mil in the bank last season, this has been being built up for multiple years, available to be spent at any time. We spent this year because Wenger over rated Ozil and Ozil was being pimped out by Real to every club in Europe and we were the only ones stupid enough to think it was a great deal at that price. Another monumental error by Wenger.
At highbury 140-150mil a year wages would be completely unsustainable, we'd have made a HUGE loss with 50mil less income in the past two seasons.
Sturridge was in no way a flop at City or Chelsea, look up the stats, he was good at both while barely being played and showed every ounce of what he's showing now at Liverpool when he played. He got very few starts at either club, when he got games, he scored, simple as that really. He had a single season with Chelsea starting more than a handful of games and got 11 goals, 3 assists in 28 starts while playing out of position. At Bolton he got 8 goals in 11 games. His quality was incredibly evident from his first appearances at City to when he left for Liverpool.
What clubs spend on transfers is irrelevant, TOTAL spend is the only thing. Any manager can choose to spend 50mil on transfers a year or pay 50mil higher wages, it's a choice, Wenger made it. We have less money than Utd, so what, we outspend Liverpool quite significantly in wages(not that significantly) and that is because Liverpool have been poorly managed with the way they spent on wages and transfers for much of the past 5 years, and yet Liverpool still managed to win things.
As Liverpool are showing, Atletico are showing and Dortmund have shown, money isn't everything. It makes it far more likely you'll compete every year, but it's fully possible to assemble a fantastic quality squad with a vastly lower budget and wage bill. Wenger bought the wrong players, simple as that, no other excuse. 12mil on Giroud is 12mil that could have gone on a footballer instead. A vastly improved contract for Gibbs could instead of been probably a fairly decent transfer fee(because someone will go "he's English therefore great") and saved wages for someone who can actually defend.
Every major club in the world spends more on wages than transfers, there is obviously some leeway there for clubs who suddenly get injected with money and spend absurdly high in the first few years, but after 5-10 years their overall wage spending will surpass transfer spending by a large amount.
Arsenal have also had the benefit of getting some absurd fee's for players worth no where near the amount we got, Ade, Toure, Song.
This could be it for Arsenal if Wenger packs it in. Giroud will be off to PSG. Mourinho will try and do everything to sign Ozil. Arsenal could move out of the top 4 for the 1st time in a long long time..
Hopefully not though..
Hopefully not though..
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Why would PSG want Giroud, he's hardly Ibrahimovic or Cavanni is he?
Fergie spent ~ £200m in his last four years? Unless you are counting wages I cant see how
http://www.barriesview.com/2013/05/sir-alex-fergusons-104-manchester-united-transfers
According to this its £154m (I suppose $$ might be about 270m but they are British clubs so everything official should be in £ despite both being owned by Americans/ US companies, I would expect anyway)
Rather see Wenger stay for a few more years myself. We are only now able to start spending money in the transfer market.
We need a RB, LB, DM + ST in the summer. They all need to be very good or world class then we could maybe challenge for title next year.
We need a RB, LB, DM + ST in the summer. They all need to be very good or world class then we could maybe challenge for title next year.
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