Wenger and co getting abused by arsenal fans

In reality before this game he told the paying Arsenal fans who bring in 100-150million directly to the club through their own money, that he was going to give Diaby another contract if he can prove his fitness(which is apparently training with the first team and being available for 1 or 2 games). An average Arsenal fan paying £50-80 a ticket, making probably less than 35k a year on average being told that after paying out at least 15million to Diaby already, that he wants to give him a new contract to not play because it's not his fault someone tackled him like what 6-7 years ago.

Personally I think twice in recent months telling the fans you actively intend to urinate their money down the drain on a millionaire player everyone, literally everyone, on planet earth except Wenger is capable of seeing will contribute absolutely nothing to the team, is disgusting.

Wenger has entirely brought this on himself, promises the world and delivers nothing, consistently criticises the fans, pundits everyone who tells him quite plainly what is wrong then we get spanked and he says after a game "I don't know what went wrong", days after telling people, who told him precisely (and accurately) what the problems were, to shut up.

Telling him to leave while he throws their money away on worthless players is hardly disgusting, did you hear them telling Campbell to get out while he could? Fans have seen him play, know he's decent and that Wenger is not giving him a chance(like multiple others). they feel sorry for Campbell as it's one in a long list of players Wenger has done this with. Every problem is now 8 years old with the idiot in charge telling the fans they don't know what they are talking about while for at least 8 years Wenger hasn't fixed a single problem or changed a single thing that causes us to lose such games.
agreed.
 
I think other teams fans have wondered whether Arsenal fans are happy with the ambition shown by Wenger for years now. People comment on how x, y and z happened in the past. So and so manager won the league without spending big. Manager y was given time and won the league etc etc. Well... times have changed. You are competing with teams that have much larger resources and who are much better organised and manager than ever before.

Look at the league. In the past you would never see smaller teams pushing for top 4 at this stage in the season playing good football. The smaller clubs have got money to be buying good players from abroad for £10-15m a pop without any financial issues. That buys you good players if you are sensible.

If you look at what Chelsea and City have done over the past few years you can clearly see a policy of addressing weakness in their side and getting rid of any player that is not pulling their weight. Too old? Gone. Poor form for a season and you will lose your place or be sold.

Arsenal have been in a position where they could have been quietly building a title winning side over the past few years yet they seem to always ignore just enough of the team to come up short.

yea and me and dm spotted this 6+ years ago when we was demanding for him to go and we was the only arsenal fans calling for his head as we saw it coming.

I stand by what i said earlier on, i will wait till end of teh season if he can finish in the top 3 and get close to winning the CL(Q/f or more) then thats progress.

if not and we finish even 4th with no trophy and getting dumped in the next round of the CL, he should go.

top 3 is still doable
 
Is Wengers hands really tied or is he doing a Fergie here in saying all the right things e.g. Money to spend, good squad, we can strengthen if we want etc. Of course there must come a tipping point where the money has to be spent otherwise one assumes that the money is not there.

As an outsider, something does not appear to be just right though. Steve Bold brought on as 1st team coach with an eye to make them more solid at the back ? Defensively Arsenal look very frail indeed

well there was rumours how Bold doesnt get any input anyway and is just anotehr pawn under wenger
 
There's a simple explanation for this. We don't have enough defenders and the ones we do have have been injured.

Last year our defence was actually quite good. The reason most people had such a bad impression of our defence was from 3 games last season - City, Chelsea and Liverpool. We conceded 17 goals in those three games, that's about 40% of the goals we conceded throughout the entire season!

Wenger is culpable for our current lack of defensive cover and also for our poor performances in the games against the top sides.

Playing devil's advocate you could argue that you wouldn't expect us to beat Chelsea or City due to the vast amounts they have spent on their squads. You could also argue that Suarez carried Liverpool to a higher level last year - look at them struggling now without him. So Arsenal then finished where you would expect us to finish, 4th.

The problem is that this was supposed to be our year. After winning a cup last year, finally breaking free of our financial constrainsts from building the new stadium and good investment in our squad over the summer we all thought we would push on and actually challenge for the title this year. I don't think anyone realistically expected us to win it but I did think we would push Chelsea and City hard.

Unfortunately all of the above was undone by not investing in the two things that we needed, a CB and to a lesser degree a DM. To make it worse Wenger actually highlighted those two signings at the beginning of last summer.

The problem now is that there won't be any top level players available in these positions in the January transfer window. I'm not sure what we will do to get us through to next summer.

The other issue is Wenger's replacement. There is a small (yes small) but vocal section of fans who want him gone now. As yet no one has come up with a realistic replacement.

Even if we replaced Wenger as the end of the season I would only want him to be replaced by someone really special - Klopp, Diego Simeone, Ancellotti or Guardiloa. The last two aren't even realistic suggestions.

It's far too easy to write Wenger off but in reality he's not THAT bad. He has weaknesses which we're all aware of. If you take a removed view, 4th place and qualification for the next round of the CL every year is far from terrible.

Be very careful what you wish for.

But we are not progressing at all though and have not been for the past 10 years?

o and i would not say only a small portion of fans want him gone. Most want him gone actually
 
Surely it's obvious that I wasn't referring to Arsenal fans wanting Wenger gone as disgusting? No, it was the manner in which they're going about it. Hanging about to abuse someone in such a fashion at a train station doesn't sit right with me.



At least DM is consistent, you just change your tune based on whether you're winning or losing at any given time. :o

not changed my tune for ages. Pick a post in the last 6months saying i want hom gone?

always said wait til end of season.

go on i give u a cookie if you can find one
 
If you look at the league positions over the last few years it's easy to say we're not progressing at all. In reality that's probably not fair. For the last ten years we've been working under financial constraints to pay off our new stadium. In that time we've consistently sold off our best players to keep the finances stable and not had the money to buy adequate replacements. There are very few managers who would or could work with those restrictions and still remain as consistent as us.

I do feel that during that time we could have done better if we had fixed the obvious weaknesses that existed in our team. Find me a football fan who doesn't believe that about their team though.

We're in to a different situation now where we no longer have to sell our best players and can in fact buy a big player every year. Last year was our first season of this new situation. We signed a world class player in Ozil and we won the FA Cup. This year we signed Sanchez, already one of the best players in the league. I agree we're not doing well at the moment but I bet we still finish top four. The other three teams will be City, Chelsea and Utd. All teams who can spend £150m a year on players. How can you expect us to compete with that?

I think Arsenal fans fall in to three main categories.

People like you and DM who want Wenger out now. These are a small minority but their opinions are the loudest and the most reported on as they make good headlines.

People who remember what Wenger has done for the club and believe he deserves the job for as long as he wants it. These fans are also a small minority but they do exist.

I think most fans feel like me. They recognise that Wenger has had a hard job for the last few season and that the football landscape has changed but Wenger hasn't. However they also realise that Wenger is one of the few who can keeps us in our relatively decent position of "best of the rest" with the occasional cup thrown in. We know that he is coming to the end of his time but we only want him replaced if there is someone truly special available.


Well i have been to a lot of arsenal games and i would say 70% of the fans who attend want wenger gone as whenever we lose the majority of us boo and shout at wenger wanting to leave.

What is our excuse for this season now we have money to spend?

You seriously cant back him if he fail spectacularly by end of the season hench me saying "wait till end of season"

All this tal;k about replacing him with a household name is a bit primature.

Who was pep guadiola or Jose Morinho when they took charge and won titles and cl's in there first few seasons as a manager?

What about wenger himself? he wasnt a household name in europe yet came to arsenal and swept aside everyone.

My point is you dont need a household name . There is a fergie and a wenger(the old wenger) out there waiting to have an opportuniy to manage a club like arsenal.

id actually rather employ an unknown manager to take control when wenger goes to be honest
 
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a bunch of entitled berks

millions of fans support their team every week in this country without ever seeing a sniff of the success Arsenal have had

they should be ashamed of themselves

Do those same fans spend £80 to see there team play?

every club has different expectations. daft to compare arsenal to Stoke whos main objective is to stay in the league and maybe win a cup or two.

They certainly not expected to win the league..
 
We should get Klopp in.

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Oh wait.

DM did an analysis on klopp in saying how Klopp has far more injuries then Arsenal and when u look at what Klopp has done in the past 5 years, he dwarfs over wenger who has had a much higher budget then Klopp in both transfers and wages paid to players
 
again, it just smack of the sense of entitlement some fans post 1992 seem to have

people supporting preston or Bolton or most of the other 92 league clubs must look on in bemusement as people moan about qualifying for the champions league every year


Is Boltons expectations based on size of club, current squads ability, training recheme, history and wealth expected to compete with Man city and Real madrid for top honours?

Nope they have realistic expectations with the bar set well lower then arsenals
 
Indeed, the majority of us (myself included) get on like a bunch of entitled ***** when really none of us know what little success really feels like and those clubs never will due to money, kinda makes it all seem a bit silly and down to luck

So i guess you be satisfied with liverpool finishing bottom of the league as you should be grateful that you had a chance to be in the EPL compared to Bolton and co lol
 
Thats just a retarded argument. If you a capable of being a rocket scientist but work as a dustman you are not reaching your intellectual potential. Arsenal could and should strive for more based on their situation in the PL. Who cares if you support a local team in League 3 whos sole ambition is to not get relegated.

Look at southampton. Should they have been happy when they got promoted to the Championship and just said "right, we have done well so lets just be happy with what we have" or should they have aimed higher once they had achieved this.

well said.

Arsenal has a realistic expectations to actually compete with the very best.

else why bother moving to a large stadium then! or touring around asia to get more brand appeal!
 
fundamental question is.....why do people support a football team

is it to win things? if thats the case theres only a few clubs fans will ever know what that feels like..and in which case why bother to support anybody else?

or is it something else? something that draws fans to support local teams even though theres next to no chance of the success some other clubs have.

call me old fashion but i support my local team and thats arsenal where i went to primary school and grew up in islington.

Many folks are the same or support the same team there father and tehre grandfather and even there great grand father probably supported.

Some of us were born next to old trafford or had our father etc born and bread united supports while some where born and raised in Bolton.
 
Arsene Wenger has not only changed the way Arsenal play football but how football is played in England and has an effect on how football is being played in the world at the moment. Everyone who loves football needs to give him the respect he is due.

But as an Gooner we do need an injection of fresh ideas.

I love Wenger's style of spotting young talented players and playing attractive football, but its just not cutting the mustard at the moment. Clubs are just out muscling us in the transfers in and out with money and with 18 years, other clubs are have seen how we play, know how to play against us and this is been happening for a long while.

Even thou I can't stand Fergie; I can recognise how his management of Utd changed when needed. From match to match; season to season keeping it fresh and exciting.

The question is if Arsene Wenger can be the person who brings in the fresh ideas or should he step a side. Let's be honest here; only a handful of clubs in the world that's in a better position than Arsenal, but as fans we have become bored as Wenger's style has become stale.

The results over the past 10 years answers your question whether wenger is the person to bring fresh ideas to the club
 
So you want a Gordon Strachan/Martin O'Neill type that will kick every ball with the players on the pitch but might end up relegating you, as opposed to a studious teacher type that doesn't get animated very often yet brings home silverware, profitability and CL footy every year for what, 16 years in a row?

Yes, I can see why you'd be able to defend yourself against those calling delusions.

home silverwhere? Di Matteo has bagged same amount of not more silverwhere then wenger in the last 10 years.

Point is wenger hardly brings success to the club.

When you have liverpool fans asking for rodgers head after 10 bad games and everyone seemingly accepting there reasons. If its an arsenal fan wanting wenger out for 10 years of rubbish, its "be careful what u wish for"/acting like a fickle fan.

lol
 
But not in the last 1 year...



What do you define as success? Stability? Silverware? CL footy? He brought all of that and still does (after a dry period, admittedly).

If you define it as regularly winning the Prem and the CL then you're pipe dreaming. Arsenal aren't at that level and changing the manager won't take them there.

what do u mean not in the last year? Di Matteo has achieved higher success then wenger in the last 10 years and that telling you something.

I define success for arsenal as a club that can compete with the very best and maybe win a league or CL once in a while.

stadium capacity and amount of money it costs to see us(more then the cost of watching barcelona play) we all expect us to compete and give teh top teams a run for there money on the pitch.
 
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