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ozzyDe

ozzyDe

ozzyDe

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I’m itching to upgrade my machine but is it worth it yet Intel got a new socket coming out so is an i5 worth getting then there is the AMD Phenom II X4 Quad Core 955 Black Edition 3.20GHz which is overclocking well and a good price.

Most of what I do is games for fun and database builds for money, what I will end up doing is keeping my system now for work and build the new system for play, I don’t want to spend over £160 for a cpu and about <£120 for MB get 4gig ram to start with the graphic card will be ZOTAC GeForce GTX 470 I am not spending £350-400 on a graphic card just yet may be next year but the gtx470 will do.

So are the AMD Phenom II X4 Quad Core 955 Black Edition 3.20GHz as good as I have been told and is the 1156 socket a waste of money when looking to be building a new system within the next 3 months or hang on till next year?

Thanks for any suggestions
 
I would wait for sandy bridge then, only cpu's which are worth buying now and wouldn't be too far beat by sandy bridge are i7's and possibly Phenom II x6's, although I wouldn't count on the latter

GTX 470 will be fine but if you do wait for sandy bridge which will be late November/December the ATi 6xxx wil have started to be released which may or may not be a better buy
 
so are we at the point Where Morse law is coming to its conclusion as he prophesied every 22 month CPU would double in speed so what sort of speed are we looking at with the new cpu’s are we going to see a 6 or 7 GHz cpu within the next year to 18 months, because I will start saving now.
I remember paying £2500 for a computer with a DX33 and 4 meg of ram I think the hard drive was 40 MB. Sorry yapping on..
 
^ LOL

I doubt we'll see stock 4GHz processors on the shelves within the next year or so :p
We've had Pentium 4s clocked as high as 3.8GHz 7 years ago. Can you see any CPUs clocked as high nowadays? The technology is moving in a different direction, I would imagine 8 cores CPUs being high-end in two years and 6 cores being mainstream. Technological advantages of more cores will be strictly bound to software limitation really. Bulldozer and Sandy Bridge will bring some fresh ides into the game though.


SO no, Moorse's Law does no longer apply, although performance is increasing by some margin every year, it is no longer the technology boost we had seen with early CPUs.
 
ozzyDe said:
so are we at the point Where Morse law is coming to its conclusion as he prophesied every 22 month CPU would double in speed so what sort of speed are we looking at with the new cpu’s are we going to see a 6 or 7 GHz cpu within the next year to 18 months, because I will start saving now.
I remember paying £2500 for a computer with a DX33 and 4 meg of ram I think the hard drive was 40 MB. Sorry yapping on..
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I thought Morse Law was just lots of dots and dashes? :p

It's all about the transistor numbers, not necessarily the speed. The ever-increasing numbers of transistors is due to die shrinks and advancing transistor tech, not necessarily creating higher and higher speeds. Don't think we will be seeing a 6-7ghz commercial CPU any time soon, would be huge leakage and error corrections problems associated with it.
 
so would a good bet be to get a AMD Phenom II X4 Quad Core 955 Black Edition 3.20GHz
which can clock to 4GHz with the right cooling, I cant see me wanting to spend over £220 for an i7 and defo not spending over £700 for a 6 core i7 980x for gaming then again I could sell the car, wife,kids & pets and build a Intel Xeon X5650 2.66GHz (Westmere) system.. but as things stand the best bet for the price & Future proof socket a AMD AM3 Phenom II X6 Six Core 1055T 2.80GHz for £153 a very good MB go SLI and that should last a couple of years as the software needs to catch up with the hardware.
My Intel Q6600 has be a work horse for me since I got it July 07 it’s still going @ 3.5 GHz
I was just having a look at my order history with OCUK and I bought OCZ Gold Edition 4GB (2x2GB) DDR2 PC2-8500C5 Dual Channel for £29 I got 8gig in all for less than £60
The same mem is now £80.99 for 4GB (2x2GB)..
Any how the AMD is looking the best for my needs,, I just built a PC for my father well it was an upgrade we sold his abit ip35 an E-550 dual core 4gig SLI 8500 ram for £160 and then I but a system together with the extra money and it is i5 750 2.6Ghz,
Asus P7P55D Intel P55 & OCZ Gold 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C8 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit it come to £370 man it is a monster started clocking that thing up its now happily running @4Ghz 200*20 and don’t go over 60c but the socket 1156 is not going anywhere I think the i5 is at its max
Whereas I will be able to upgrade a AM3 X6 Six Core 1055T 2.80GHz to the next increase in performance.
Crap I starting to write a dissertation here..

Thanks all
Dean
(wrong spelling of name but we now the horse)

Yep I now the huge leakage and error corrections problems associated with die shrink but we all now that these Companies are huge and will find ways to make sure there is something new on a regular basis to keep the money coming their way and that is the driving force behind all they do. thank uck.
 
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You've got a quad i would wait till next year see what sandy and bulldozer bring and then make a choice it's what i am doing. Upgrade itch though is hard to ignore but right now i don't see any compelling reason for anyone with a decent clocked quad to upgrade with new stuff coming.
 
^ the question is if bulldozer will really be up to what AMD says it will and if Sandy bridge will come out in desktop form for 1355, otherwise we'll be stuck at dual and quad cores
 
There is a chance that both new cpu's will need new motherboards more so with intel. Thats why i am personally waiting so i will know exactly what i will need but i see no point upgrading to whats out now if come next year better performance can be had for the same price and while that could be said all the time we know for sure both companys are releasing new cpu's next year it's not some vague "always something better coming" something better is coming.
 
^ all of next gen needs new mobo's, except some of the bulldozers iirc

also Intels releasing their first SB in Q4 '10
 
balls to it I just dont no how long I can wait its been so long since last upgrade and I have the Itch its like a drug fix I just got to get new hardware, I know I can get a i5 750 @ 4ghz its just there not going to build a 6 core i5 so that takes me back to the AMD same price for a six core cpu but what’s the point of 6 cores now, I am having a meltdown someone just spend £380 on a new cpu,MB & mem for me, but there is no way I can afford to go with i7 I will need at least >£500 but I have a hobby that I would rather spend the extra money on. These new cpu’s being released are going to be over the £200 mark for the start there not going to bring out a new cpu that will undercut the price of the current ones. F,ing choices.
 
HW91 can't remember where i read it as after a while all the sites just sort of melt into each other sure you know what i mean lol but SB is at least late Q1 or Q2 2011 according to what i read. Never know maybe intel and amd will surprise us all and give us the goodies early but not likely. Ozzy i know how you feel i got that upgrade itch myself right now but i need to make the best use of my money and i just cannot shake the feeling if i upgrade to whats out now i will regret it in a few months time.

So i am prepared to hold off and just buy things like case and fans and suchlike in prep for new build at least that way i am buying something but nothing critical just yet.
 
Yep RizlaKing thats what I think I will do is just buy things like power pack, case, so on until I see what the situation is with the new proc's.
Thanks all for your advice.
Dean
 
ozzyDe said:
so are we at the point Where Morse law is coming to its conclusion as he prophesied every 22 month CPU would double in speed so what sort of speed are we looking at with the new cpu’s are we going to see a 6 or 7 GHz cpu within the next year to 18 months, because I will start saving now.
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Moore's Laws doesnt directly have any relevance on speed and definatly not on Mhz. The law is that transistor density will double every 2 years. Its probably got a couple of years left in it, as every time people say oh XYZ process is about as small as it can be, intel and the other fabs announce they have made a new even smaller process.

But packing more smaller transistors doesn't mean more mhz... Higher clock speeds are tricky, as the tech gets smaller getting rid of excess heat gets harder and harder.

Pentium IV still has the highest "stock" clock speeds of any modern "consumer" processor. But its a considerably slower chip design than the lower clock speed i7 processors you can get today.

IPC is a lot more important than Mhz.
 
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