What a *******!

Dr_Fartypants · 18 Jul 2008 at 13:10

wordy said:
Nope if this ******** didn't steal the car and refuse to stop then an innocent person wouldn'tve been killed.

Of course this is true. But instigating a chain of events does not neccesarily make you responsible for everything which happens thereafter.

uv · 18 Jul 2008 at 13:17

Dr_Fartypants said:
Of course this is true. But instigating a chain of events does not neccesarily make you responsible for everything which happens thereafter.

well then, let's just give him a slap on the wrists and hope he doesn't do it again!

Conscript · 18 Jul 2008 at 13:21

Dr_Fartypants said:
Nobody wants to consider giving the police a portion of the blame for fishtailing him at 80+ mph?

Obviously the guy was an utter tool for stealing a car and then attempting to evade the police, but the motorway isn't exactly the most suitable place to try to bring a car to a "controled stop". Basic physics suggests loss of control will ensue. I'd be interested to see what police guidelines are situations such as this. Anyway, the IPCC is investigating the situation and I'm sure they will have all the facts.

The motorway is going to the be the safest place for a controlled stop; big open carriageway which allows the car to be boxed in. Im assuming that the police didn't intentionally fishtail the vehicle, but instead that something went wrong and led to the car being nudged out of control.

Mason64 · 18 Jul 2008 at 13:21

i think he should have is ******* chopped off!

what an arse! he needs to learn his lesson but instead he will come out of hospital and with whats happened to him prob not be able to work and get a nice new house and live life for free for the rest of his life!

the uk is just so funny with its laws!"

wannabedamned · 18 Jul 2008 at 13:25

Dr_Fartypants said:
Of course this is true. But instigating a chain of events does not neccesarily make you responsible for everything which happens thereafter.

So wait, If thats the case, Why are you trying to point the finger at the police. Same thing you said there can be applied to the polices attempt to stop the driver.

Tombo · 18 Jul 2008 at 13:28

Mason64 said:
i think he should have is ******* chopped off!

what an arse! he needs to learn his lesson but instead he will come out of hospital and with whats happened to him prob not be able to work and get a nice new house and live life for free for the rest of his life!

the uk is just so funny with its laws!"

Yes he can go on benefits then, you OcUK people like that.

seek said:
Chavs + Too much GTA = death.

Yes the games did it :rolleyes:

Dr_Fartypants · 18 Jul 2008 at 13:47

wannabedamned said:
So wait, If thats the case, Why are you trying to point the finger at the police. Same thing you said there can be applied to the polices attempt to stop the driver.

If you read what I said, you will see that I say none of us have the information neccesary to blame the police or otherwise. That would be the job of the IPCC.

As for the more philosophical debate, the maneuver which lead to the flipping of the car was the final act in the chain of events which started with the guy stealing the car. As such it was the *most direct* cause relating to the death of the driver in the other lane. That's not to say it was at fault - if the police officer did everything as per protocol, then it can be considered due to random factors.

Slinwagh · 18 Jul 2008 at 13:53

Dr_Fartypants said:
Nobody wants to consider giving the police a portion of the blame for fishtailing him at 80+ mph?

Obviously the guy was an utter tool for stealing a car and then attempting to evade the police, but the motorway isn't exactly the most suitable place to try to bring a car to a "controled stop". Basic physics suggests loss of control will ensue. I'd be interested to see what police guidelines are situations such as this. Anyway, the IPCC is investigating the situation and I'm sure they will have all the facts.

Here we go a prime example of the state of the nation, lets lay the blame at the doorstep of others.

The Police would be criticised if they did not give chase and the stolen car killed someone and when they do pursue they are criticises for that too.

This a tragedy yes, but the blame lies with the driver of the stolen vehicle.

JBuk · 18 Jul 2008 at 14:03

while i dont blame the police for their actions it seems that the method they used has unfortunately been that .01% chance of a catastrophe happening

ScarySquirrel · 18 Jul 2008 at 14:20

So sad how someone's life can be taken away so suddenly like that, through no fault of their own

Helium_Junkie · 18 Jul 2008 at 14:43

Dr_Fartypants said:
Nobody wants to consider giving the police a portion of the blame for fishtailing him at 80+ mph?

Obviously the guy was an utter tool for stealing a car and then attempting to evade the police, but the motorway isn't exactly the most suitable place to try to bring a car to a "controled stop". Basic physics suggests loss of control will ensue. I'd be interested to see what police guidelines are situations such as this. Anyway, the IPCC is investigating the situation and I'm sure they will have all the facts.

Score one for ignorance... :rolleyes:

Lets blame the police!! They NEVER should have pursued a car theif, criminals face far too much persecution in this country :mad:

peterattheboro · 18 Jul 2008 at 15:30

Wished it was the **** that died and not some innocent.

Which Mitsu was it though? If it was that big 4x4 then they should never have attempted to stop him as of course he's going to bounce over the CR.

Slinwagh · 18 Jul 2008 at 15:33

peterattheboro said:
Wished it was the **** that died and not some innocent.

Which Mitsu was it though? If it was that big 4x4 then they should never have attempted to stop him as of course he's going to bounce over the CR.

What do you base that on, you many years of acident invesigation :rolleyes:

Never should have attempted to stop a criminal, give us a break :rolleyes:

peterattheboro · 18 Jul 2008 at 15:34

Slinwagh said:
What do you base that on, you many years of acident invesigation

Never should have attempted to stop a criminal, give us a break

I mean stop him on the motorway doing 80mph where of course he's going to fishtail into traffic. Wait until the time is right.

ohh and :rolleyes:

Slinwagh · 18 Jul 2008 at 15:35

peterattheboro said:
I mean stop him on the motorway doing 80mph where of course he's going to fishtail into traffic. Wait until the time is right.

ohh and

Let him drive into a town or village and risk him killing people, heaven forbid we endanger the man who has stolen a car :rolleyes:

peterattheboro · 18 Jul 2008 at 15:36

Slinwagh said:
Let him drive into a town or village and risk him killing people, heaven forbid we endanger the man who has stolen a car

He did kill someone.

Tefal · 18 Jul 2008 at 15:36

Dr_Fartypants said:
Nobody wants to consider giving the police a portion of the blame for fishtailing him at 80+ mph?

Obviously the guy was an utter tool for stealing a car and then attempting to evade the police, but the motorway isn't exactly the most suitable place to try to bring a car to a "controled stop". Basic physics suggests loss of control will ensue. I'd be interested to see what police guidelines are situations such as this. Anyway, the IPCC is investigating the situation and I'm sure they will have all the facts.

iirc the British method of a controlled stop is not fish tailing but to get a car in front to the side and back and just slowly bring him to a stop, he probbably tried to get around between the lead car and barrier and failed.

Kerplunk · 18 Jul 2008 at 15:38

lol ******* made ma laugh

JBuk · 18 Jul 2008 at 15:42

heres a question that may divide opinion,

should the police do everything they can to persue a car thief and stop them if it puts other road users lives at risk?

Slinwagh · 18 Jul 2008 at 15:42

peterattheboro said:
He did kill someone.

Yes what is your point?