What Can You Do?

[Kol]

a) Picture it... three guys starring at you, what do you do? You don't know them? I asked them what they were looking at. What the hell is wrong with that?

b) I dunno why it oftens. Why in the hell do you ALWAYS expect me to answer all the worlds problems everytime I post a thread?

I take it you think I'm making this stuff up, too? Jesus.

Phil.

If I was intimidated? Nothing. Just get on with it. By speaking to them, it only then gives them a gateway to hurl abuse at you in response.

So, if three guys stare at you, that's ok?

This forum makes me laugh sometimes. I'd for you to be in that situation and not say or do anything.

Phil.

Yes. Why make the situation worse?

 

[Arcade Fire]

b) Why does this stuff happen so often to people on this forum? I can't remember the last time I got abuse off a random stranger.

Well, there 20,000 members so there only have to be 1,500 such incidents per day in the UK for us to average out at four new "I just had a fight with some chavs" threads every week .

Plus, they're probably all exaggerated massively.

 

[dannyjo22]

You started it by saying "what you looking at" in the first place

They should have give you a good shoeing tbh

I think you meant could have given him a shoeing, not should have. Thats not reason for 3 youths to beat up on one. I do agree that the OP didnt help matters but that doesnt mean they should have given him a kicking.

 

[Arcade Fire]

I asked them what they were looking at. What the hell is wrong with that?

You are aware that saying "what are you looking at?" is the 21st century equivalent of slapping someone with a pair of leather gloves and challenging them to a duel, right?

 

[Kol]

You are aware that saying "what are you looking at?" is the 21st century equivalent of slapping someone with a pair of leather gloves and challenging them to a duel, right?

ROFL.

 

[Deleted member 651465]

This reminds me of an event not so long ago..


Here goes.. I was working behind the bar in a club in town one night, and whilst stopping to load up the dishwasher to clean a tray of glasses these two lads at the bar (about 24 / 25) shout "Oi, you gonna serve us or what?".

I turned around sharp thinking they were talking to another one of the bar staff, and to my amusment they were talking to me ... I said "not if you're gonna be rude then no, besides i'm not serving - this is the glass collection point, go up the bar and that girl will serve you".

Ok, from this point on I knew it was gonna escalate.. they say "so you won't serve us?" and i reply "no, sorry but im busy and i'm not serving at the moment; my till is closed".. after 2 minutes of "you can't be behind the bar if you're not going to serve me" I started getting annoyed.

FINALLY, back on subject I get the "what you look at?" from the second lad.. I said "nothing" ..."don't stare at me he says, i will knock you out".. Ok, I am not scared of these guys in the slightest, and i know from 9
+ years of karate (fought for Wales ) that i didn't need to be scared of these two chopsy customers, so i say "look mate, let me get on with my job" (and then turn around)

Right, this is where it got ugly.. they start shouting abuse at me this time, calling me a faggot etc etc, and i say "look im not serving you **** off", one of them says "hahaha what you gonna do?" so.. i say "come here..." as he leant over the bar i belted him right on the chin. Out cold. I look at the other guy "you're next" and by this point I her
ar the radio going "fight upstairs".. bouncers came and threw them guys out.

Moral of the story.. don't let them get to you, it leads to people getting hurt (one way or another).. needless to say I had the last laugh.

 

[SpicyDuck]

If I was intimidated? Nothing. Just get on with it. By speaking to them, it only then gives them a gateway to hurl abuse at you in response.



Yes. Why make the situation worse?

Sorry, but I refuse to be a pushover like that. I won't let scum walk all over me. Me asking "What are you looking at?" was said and expressed in a non-threatening way. I was simply curious. But I knew their intentions all along.

Maybe when all you people grow up and live in this kind of enviroment, you can come back with some kind of a clue of what you're talking about.

Phil.

 

[Bunka]

You are aware that saying "what are you looking at?" is the 21st century equivalent of slapping someone with a pair of leather gloves and challenging them to a duel, right?

lmao, so very true.

It would have been better just to say 'what' in a non confrontational manner. Just act as if you can handle yourself without being arsey about it.

 

[dannyjo22]

So, if three guys stare at you, that's ok?

This forum makes me laugh sometimes. I'd love for you to be in that situation and not say or do anything.

Phil.

Yes to be honest I wouldn't have said anything. Why bother, it doesnt matter if you can fight like ricky hatton 3 on one is never going in your favour.

A guy in my town stood up to the same sort of thing, got whacked with a D lock and is a vegetable now.

I think it's about being street smart and you showed none.

 

[Rich_L]

Hmm can't say I have much sympathy, there are several glaring points there which could easily have defused or avoided the conflict entirely,

I turned around sharply, as you do when you've forgotten £15, in order to make my way back. Now, thinking back a little bit, these chavs must've thought it was there presence which made me turn and start walk away from them. So, thinking they had the upper-hand they walked side-by-side with me and just looked at me.

Mistake 1 - acknowledging them. Or even assuming that you were the reason they were reacting that way..

Me: What are you looking at?
Chav #1: WHAT LAD? WHAT?

Mistake 2 - why engage them when you can go about your business quite happily without 'playing with chavs'.

Me: I said. What.. are... you... looking... at?
Chav #1: Think your hard lad?

Mistake 3 - Coming across as a cocky arrogant *&^ - is it any surprise the other person thought you were spoiling for a fight?

Me: In what context?
Chav #1: WHAT? (Clearly doesn't know what the word context means)

Mistake 4 - Trying to be funny, coming across as a cocky arrogant *&^%. Hardly conducive to a peaceful resolution.

So I ignore it and carry on. Then Chav #1 runs past me to collect his ball, flicks it up a little to look cool (read: pathetic) and does one of those "It looks like I'm gonna kick it at you, but I'm not really" thing.

Mistake 5 - Wow, how scary. Why not ignore it and just carry on walking?

Now, I was ok up to this point. I was going to let it pass. But I flinched and I felt embarassed at them laughing at me. So I go into keyboard warrior mode, which is not very keyboard like.

Mistake 6 - Ooh did they hurt your feelings? Grow up! Let it slide, far more important things to worry about.

I carry on and Chav #2 who is the bigger of them all starts walking up to me from behind. Shouting all sorts of abuse about how he's gonna "proper knock me head off like" and quite frankly, I was in a rage at this point and told him if he didn't shut up that I would shut him up and that WOULD be the end of the matter.

Mistake 7 - Replying and engaging further, if you don't want conflict don't go looking for it, I believe what you did is just challenged the guy to a fight...

Obviously, my "non-obvious" Liverpool accent and style of dressing made them think I'm easy to fight or whatever, I dunno. But he persisted but I was at the shop entrance at this point and just walked in.

Mistake 8 - No that would be giving off the appearance of spoiling for a fight and coming across as a tool...

Anyway, I just think it's terrible, you know? I didn't provoke this kind of attack on myself in any way whatsoever. These guys wanted a fight and I had to restrain myself as best as I could from really hurting Chav #2. Luckily, I got to the shop entrance before I lost it.

The above is why I've gone to the effort of pointing out exactly how you provoked it on yourself as you don't seem to be able to see it yourself.

And the 2nd & 3rd sentences makes me laugh as haven't you basically engaged in a war of words then ran off and hid in a supermarket when threatened physically until the people you had annoyed got bored and walked off? You hard man

Now of course it may have been totally different when you were there, in which case I would suggest rewriting your entire OP, as how its written at the moment comes across as you having an attitude problem, not knowing when to let things drop and then being a pussy when it actually comes to backing up your words.

*rant over*

 

[dannyjo22]

Sorry, but I refuse to be a pushover like that. I won't let scum walk all over me. Me asking "What are you looking at?" was said and expressed in a non-threatening way. I was simply curious. But I knew their intentions all along.

Maybe when all you people grow up and live in this kind of enviroment, you can come back with some kind of a clue of what you're talking about.

Phil.

Dont start the thread if you can't handle any critism over your actions. What did you expect a load of clapping and comments on what a hero you are for potentially getting yourself a whupping for using to much lip.

 

[Kol]

Sorry, but I refuse to be a pushover like that. I won't let scum walk all over me. Me asking "What are you looking at?" was said and expressed in a non-threatening way. I was simply curious. But I knew their intentions all along.

Maybe when all you people grow up and live in this kind of enviroment, you can come back with some kind of a clue of what you're talking about.

Phil.

Sorry, you people? You're 5 months old than me? I've lived quite a lot of a life in my 21 years, I've started a career, then decided against it and gone to university, lived in two cities, both which have a high population of chavs and not only this have dealt with much worse situations than this.

I wouldn't say walking past a group of lads and not rising to their bait is being a pushover. I think in this instance YOU are the one who needs to grow up as you're exhibiting school ground behaviour.

To be honest, there are many people your senior in here who have definitely been in these positions and you're the only one on here who appears to hold your stance. I'm sorry, but you need to step back and look at it from another point of view.

 

[Bunka]

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Summed it up in one tbh.

 

[dannyjo22]

lived in two cities, both which have a high population of chavs

All cities have a high population of them and they always have.

 

[Otacon]

Sorry, but I refuse to be a pushover like that. I won't let scum walk all over me.

Pushover like what? They hadn't even said anything. Doesn't excuse their part in the latter stages, but I feel you might be underestimating you share of the blame getting into the situation in the first place.

Btw, if you feel that walking away from trouble is being 'walked all over', then that's a shame. Any feeling of inferiority would be in your own head, and if you can get over that, it makes for an easier life

 

[GordyR]

I agree 100% with the posts saying that he should have ignored their staring and could have defused the situation.

However if I am to be brutally honest with myself, I know that I would have reacted in the same way... In fact probably far worse.

It's all very well saying what he should or shouldn't have done but when you're in that situation and your adrenaline gets firing it can be very hard not to make some sort of stance. At least for me anyway.

Kudos to you for not actually getting in to a scrap. If it were me it probably would have kicked off pretty quickly. And believe me, I am ashamed to say that. But at least i'm being honest.

 

[Kol]

All cities have a high population of them and they always have.

Exactly, so by having lived in two and experiencing them from differing cities for my entire life, I've had my fair share

 

[reflex]

I do understand how you got anoyed and said somthing to these guys who were basically following you, but obviously the whole of these forums is 100% streetwise and can handle themselves 100% Perfectly when in contact with 3 guys looking for a fight.

edit - mind you i wouldnt have tried to be "Intellectually superior" against him cos they couldnt really careless if u passed gcse english

 

[SpicyDuck]

Somewhere along the line, I have explained the situation wrong or a lot of the people here are simply ignorant and hold some kind of grudge against me.

Could a don close this and make this post the last.

Thanks,

Phil.

 

[Rich_L]