More like the fiat is more disposable, so ragging it and losing it on a corner is far less expensive a mistake
Ferraris etc always look too wide on country roads to use properly.
More like the fiat is more disposable, so ragging it and losing it on a corner is far less expensive a mistake
Am I right in thinking that bikes can't corner as fast as cars though?I think your definitions are just way off and no doubt everyone is thinking you are being exceedingly blasé.
If you keep moving the goal posts this quickly, cars that where 2.9 seconds are now apparently 'brisk' to you and you need to be sub 2.5 to be 'fast'.. Whilst cars have generally got faster over the years, it's a much slower evolution so 'most' as in the majority of people (i.e. joe public) will have normal expectations:
If you picked random average people and chucked them in a range of cars with different performance levels, I bet if all you had where 0-60 runs:
0-60 in 7-8 Seconds people would think are fast/very brisk
0-60 in 6-7 Seconds people would think are very fast
0-60 in 5-6 Seconds people would think are crazy fast
0-60 in 4-5 Seconds people would think are too fast
0-60 in 3-4 Second people would think are insanely fast
0-60 in <3 Seconds people would think are mind bendingly fast.
However, as many people are pointing out, 0-60 does not remotely cover a fraction of the parameters that people attribute to performance;
My first car (An 1100 Mini Clubman with uprated suspension and few engine tweaks) used to scare the living daylights out of people through twisty roads and almost exclusively people use to say that thing was 'insanely fast'.. yet it struggled to do 0-60 in under 9 seconds..
Saying all that, I'm terrible and exclusively I just always want more power.. I find my E46 M3 'adequate' and wished it had 550BHP, although I'd get used to that and no doubt want more..
But then if you want to get super relative, then I don't think anything you are talking about is anything other than brisk..
Back in 2003 I had a vehicle that did 0-60 in 2.5-3s, 0-100 in sub 6s and that was stock, cost £5K second hand (it was 3 months old, new ones where £8k).. that was a GSXR1000 and yes, initially I struggled to open it fully in anything other than 3rd, but by the time I sold it I could have done with more power..
Now bikes with rider have approx 700BHP/ton, they still obliterate 99.99% of cars in a straight line.. They struggle 0-60 due to the laws of physics and getting that energy through a tiny single contact patch but in terms of usability on the road in any situation, they are far far far better.
My only real point in all that is that having just 'brisk' and 'fast' and no context of the observer at all is so pointless...
.... Most cars on the road today are capable of running 0 to 60 in less than 4 seconds, and 0 to 100 in less than 10 seconds with ease.
I personally classify a car as "fast" if it meets the below criteria:
0 to 60mph in 2.9s or less
0 to 100 in 6.5s or less
Any thing slower than the above times I would class as "brisk" rather than fast.
What do you guys think?
Am I right in thinking that bikes can't corner as fast as cars though?
Am I right in thinking that bikes can't corner as fast as cars though?
Am I right in thinking that bikes can't corner as fast as cars though?
4 wheels does help in corners
I don't think you can whip them around tight bends like a light sports car.
bikes literally cheat physics when ridden professionally
I followed a Moto GP rider for a bit around the Ring, it was a thing of incredible beauty to behold, just incredible skill levels and commitment. Back at the pits he was surrounded by the bikers there. I don't know who he was but recognised his face from telly. The 'bit' for which I followed him was probably 6 or 7 bends. Impressive to see how the weight transfer worked. Magnificent stuff and amazing commitment and confidence.
I doubt that's true
I've toyed with the idea of getting a bike (after getting a licence of course) a few times, and it might still happen. I can easily imagine ending up killing myself on it, but hey ho
Me too, but everyone I know who rides them has spent some time in hospital after falling off one.
I agree, there's a guy I work with who went headfirst into a signpost. I think part of it is that he's in his late 40s and he had a bike in his 20s and didn't realise how much faster they are now, quite common I believe.Everyone you know? That’s some bad luck.
(either that or you only know a couple of people who ride).
I agree, there's a guy I work with who went headfirst into a signpost. I think part of it is that he's in his late 40s and he had a bike in his 20s and didn't realise how much faster they are now, quite common I believe.
In 2019 there were around 33 million licensed cars on the UK roads according to statista.com
I would estimate that of those 33 million cars, an extremely low percentage were capable of under 4 seconds to 60. At a guess I would say well under 1% (330,000 cars).
Everyone you know? That’s some bad luck.
(either that or you only know a couple of people who ride).