What do i buy ? (Canon)
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To the OP, I would save your money until the beginning of February ish.
CES 2013 takes place between 8th and 11th January.
Canon are expected to make some announcements regarding new bodies and some new lenses. Rumours are that stocks of the 60D are starting to dry up since it is expected to discontinue early this year. This might drive the price down even more and you could end up with a bit of a bargain with a genuine UK warranty rather than a grey market one.
CES 2013 takes place between 8th and 11th January.
Canon are expected to make some announcements regarding new bodies and some new lenses. Rumours are that stocks of the 60D are starting to dry up since it is expected to discontinue early this year. This might drive the price down even more and you could end up with a bit of a bargain with a genuine UK warranty rather than a grey market one.
I have to agree really. Problem I have is Nikon having overpriced lenses or not offering cheaper lower end models, Sigma sell an f/2.8 70-200mm for £650, you have to pay double that if you want to buy a Nikon lens. Not everyone can afford professional prices but Nikon don't seem to realise that.
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What lens are you referring to?
What about the 80-200mm f/2.8? You can buy that new for the same price as the Sigma. It gives professional quality for a budget price.
Just buy the older 70-200mm f/2.8 VRI, or the even older 80-200mm f/2.8 AF-D which is still sold new, or if you want to go second hand an 80-200mm f/2.8 AF-S. There is also a 70-200mm f/4.0
What was your point really. Both Canon and Nikon sell lenses that are more expensive but in almost all instances better than Sigma.
It has no AF motor.
The 80-200mm f/2.8 AF-S does, but is only found 2nd hand.
Not sure I understand the knocking of Nikon Lens range.... not everyone want's or can afford to buy everything in the range and want every combination under the sun.
Decent ultra wide, walk around and some form of tele zoom covers most peoples needs, chuck in a fast 50mm and job done. Worrying over 1 F stop in todays high ISO performance is a little academic to me...... And I'm a Canon user.... LOL....
My vote still goes for a Mk1 5D if Canon is the preferred route. May be "old" tech to some, but hasn't let me down yet.........
That's the point though, for me Nikon have a fairly comparable lens collection other than in the area I suggested, reasonably priced telephotos. If you discount third party lenses at the moment and just go for manufacturers lenses in the sub £1k with Nikon you have a choice of... Well actually no real choice, its the 70-300 f/4.5-5.6, if you have a crop you can have the 55-300 VR as well... The only other option is the 300 f/4 (non VR) They also do an ok superzoom, the 80-400 VR if you want to go to £1100
If you're a Canon user then you have a choice in the same range of:
Various cheap 70/75-300 non IS lenses (although Nikon have a few around as well) but no one really buys them...? EDIT: And IS on a budget, a used 75-300 IS.
70-300 f/4-5.6 IS
70-200 f/4
70-200 f/4 IS
55-250 IS (crop)
70-300 DO IS
70-300L
300 f/4 (non IS) (used for £400, rather than a used Nikon 300 f/4 for (£900)
300 f/4 IS
400 f/5.6
100-400 IS (for £1100)
When you get into other areas, such as the pricier wider teles, such as the 70-200 f/2.8 and 300/400 f/2.8, 500, 600 and 800 then they are more comparable, but that stuff is massively heavy and not really something most competent amateurs will want to pay for. Nikon do appear to be trying to increase their range in the affordable tele area with the 70-200 f/4 VR that should be out in a while but it's currently priced around £300 more than the Canon and there is obviously no chance of buying it used... So basically a choice of 4 (if you stretch your budget), whereas Canon have about 11+ in that range.
It's not just the extra stop/IQ that is the problem, the L lenses in the lineup above will out focus the Nikon 70-300 and are far better built (having worked my way through several of the Canon lineup for various trips and projects and currently having the 70-300 Nikon) and come with VR where VR isn't present for Nikon *(Like the 300 f/4, pricing for that is especially gaoling, the newer IS version is still cheaper than Nikons non IS version, used a Canon 300 f/4 (non IS) is about 1/3 the cost of the Nikon...). L doesn't just denote IQ, much like the higher end Nikons are not just about IQ.
Other areas are fine, with plenty of similar lenses (Nikon 35 f/1.8 DX and the FF Canon 35 f/2 for example) and others where similar but not the same, lenses are around, such as the 17-55 lenses. Canons is a consumer build with IS whereas Nikon have a pro build without VR (positives and negatives for both, Nikon built like a tank and weather sealed heavier than the Canon which has IS... Again L quality glass but L doesn't just denote IQ).
* Yes, we can debate IS/VR until the cows come home, some people swear by it and love it, some people don't...
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Haven't seen too much stuff about the 24-85 or whatever it is that Nikon do, but not sure nikon have anything that competes with the 24-105L. I know they have a 24-70 for walkabouts, but 24-70 on Nikon ~ to 24-70 on canon. Nothing that is similar price to the canon from what I can tell.
TS I've also heard is much weaker from Nikon. That said, ts is a tiny range, and nikons ultra wide is something that canon don't really have I think (can't remember focal range again).
Third party lenses are a stupid argument to get into, as most of those are available in both mounts.
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TS I've also heard is much weaker from Nikon. That said, ts is a tiny range, and nikons ultra wide is something that canon don't really have I think (can't remember focal range again).
Third party lenses are a stupid argument to get into, as most of those are available in both mounts.
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After seeing the VR in the 70-200 F4, I wouldn't want to buy a long lens without it tbh. Sure people on a tighter budget will likely appreciate an option without VR though.
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That's the 14-24. It's a nice lens, no Canon zoom or prime can touch it.
Pretty impressive example of what Image stabilisation can do, it's why I think it's even more essential on video!
The 70-200 Non IS comes in at about £450 new or around £350 used... Pretty cheap for a stunning lens with super fast AF...
My point was they don't cater to a large segment of the market where 3rd party companies do, which is poor show for the actual manufacturer of the cameras!
2nd hand is apples to oranges though.
The Nikon 24-120mm f4.0 is equal to the cannon 24-105. If anything the kin might be a tiny bit better.
The 24-85 is very sharp, but not the same type of lens.
As to TSs, Nikon don't have the aging 17mm f4 TS like canon does. Also the on board flash on the d600/70/800 plus crop camera can te in the way of a control knob so you need to mount the lens upside down. Stupid but not age changing.
Te inferences between cann ad nikon lens lineups are really small in reablity. Canon is a bigger company ad can update more lenses faster. Optically oth are very similar, Nikon are better at wide-angles and budget zooms that are pin sharp, telephotos, super teles, fast primes, normal zooms etc are all much the same, each time canon or Nikon release a new version it is better than the competitors older lens. Canon can afford some more esoteric lenses like 50mm f1.2 and 85L etc, Nikon used to be renowned for such lenses but can't afford to update them. Funnily enough you can still buy new a 50mm f1.2, but it is manual focus. Nikon's golden days of producing the 6mm f2.8 and 300mm f2.0 are gone, but there are high chance of thing like the 58mm 1.2 noctilux reappearing.
Nikon offer a 70-300vr, 80-200 af-d and 70-200 f4.0 VR. How many more budget options do you need?
Canon do have more options in that area but the difference is not so big when you factor in things like the cost of the 70-300 DO and L versions they are really a different price.
For a budget 300mm f4 you can get the older 300mm f4.0 AF, which is also around 400 quid. Nikon do need to update their 300mm f4, it is overdue, it has been rumored to be replaced for a long time and that might happen this year.
You included things like the crop 55-250 canon, in which case you can add lenses like the 55-200 VR and non VR, 55-300VR, 18-200, 18-300, 28-300VR full frame lens.
Nikon now have a 70-200f 4.
400mm 5.6 is easily achieved with the 300mm f4.0
Nikon don't offer non VR of their lenses but I don't see this as a weakness,if you want a non-VR lens then just buy the older generation second handoff less money. Lenses like the 70-200f4 non-is are not really that important, if you want a slower and lighter lens then you will definitely want the IS, and the difference with the 70-300 IS is then small.
So in reality there is small difference. Nikon really need to get out the 300mm f4 VR and 80-400 replacements. I don't think there is a need for much else. Other areas should be a priority.
It will be interesting to see how the Nikon stacks up against the Canon EF 14-24 f/2.8L that rumoured to be announced on 8th January. Well I hope it is anyway
Hi i have not looked at every post but i see 2 or 3 recommendations for the 5D classic/mk1 .. i would also like to say you can not go wrong with a 5dc ..i see some go for as little as £380 on the bay.
I have been out of the camera loop for 2 months but up to then NO cropped censer camera has matched the image quality of the full frame 5D.....the images from the 5D have a special something about them that charts and test don't convey
A lens to recommend as you say landscape is the 17-40 f4L this will be afforded by selling your old kit.. just keep the 50mm .....the next lenses that whold be on may list is the 70-200f4L , 85mmf1.8 prime or the f2 100mm
I have been out of the camera loop for 2 months but up to then NO cropped censer camera has matched the image quality of the full frame 5D.....the images from the 5D have a special something about them that charts and test don't convey
A lens to recommend as you say landscape is the 17-40 f4L this will be afforded by selling your old kit.. just keep the 50mm .....the next lenses that whold be on may list is the 70-200f4L , 85mmf1.8 prime or the f2 100mm