What Graphics Card for £300?

Tom|Nbk · 20 Jul 2007 at 21:12

Ulfhedjinn said:
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Oh dear breaking the rules here. RTM'd

ScReWeD · 20 Jul 2007 at 21:13

il shutup now so i dont break any rules

Darkwave · 20 Jul 2007 at 21:23

Tom|Nbk said:
Oh dear breaking the rules here. RTM'd

Jokester · 20 Jul 2007 at 21:36

Ulfhedjinn said:

Don't post competitor pricing info.

Jokester

SS-89 · 20 Jul 2007 at 22:02

O rite cant even post the price now even if we dont state the competitors name?

Jokester · 20 Jul 2007 at 22:03

SS-89 said:
O rite cant even post the price now even if we dont state the competitors name?

That has always been the case.

Jokester

helmutcheese · 20 Jul 2007 at 22:21

Hmm, post deleted ?, or did i actually hit enter :confused:

The former...

helmutcheese · 20 Jul 2007 at 22:29

J.D · 21 Jul 2007 at 02:07

helmutcheese said:
Some guy above tried to make out the 8800 is some botch up card that is not a real DX10 card.

If you were referring to me then I never said it was a botched card or that it couldn't handle DX10. Only that ATI are a little bit stronger in the DX10 department. If an ATI card existed that was on par on DX9 with the 8800GTX then I think in DX10 the ATI card would win the majority of the benchmarks.

If it wasn't me then I've just just wasted seconds of my life :eek:

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*ATI = AMD - I just keep putting ATI from habit

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helmutcheese · 21 Jul 2007 at 02:54

The way you wrote it and I read it made it look like the 8800 is not a real DX10 card and is really a DX9 card (kinda halfbreed hybrid), thats untrue and I have seen nothing to point to any ATI card being better than it period in DX9C or DX10.

IMO, if the Nvidia is better in DX9C it should be better in DX10 same as 6800Ultra was DX9C but arrived while DX9B was still the used DX9C till many months later.

Richdog · 21 Jul 2007 at 10:05

J.D said:
If you were referring to me then I never said it was a botched card or that it couldn't handle DX10. Only that ATI are a little bit stronger in the DX10 department. If an ATI card existed that was on par on DX9 with the 8800GTX then I think in DX10 the ATI card would win the majority of the benchmarks.

If it wasn't me then I've just just wasted seconds of my life .

*ATI = AMD - I just keep putting ATI from habit .

He was referring to this guy I think...

Darg said:
These technologies will be used a lot in DX10 games in the next few years and that is where the 2900XT will shine. It's optimised for DX10 games and we're judging it on DX9 ones. The 8800 is a crossbreed between DX9 and DX10.

helmutcheese · 21 Jul 2007 at 13:16

Yes, I was

LoadsaMoney · 21 Jul 2007 at 13:58

How can you possibly say the 2900 will shine in Dx10 games when Dx10 games are not even here yet, no one could possilby know, even AMD/ATi don't know. :confused:

J.D · 21 Jul 2007 at 17:27

Richdog said:
He was referring to this guy I think...

helmutcheese said:
Yes, I was

Ahh cool

. A bit of a mix up. Thanks for clearing that up Richdog.

LoadsaMoney said:
How can you possibly say the 2900 will shine in Dx10 games when Dx10 games are not even here yet, no one could possilby know, even AMD/ATi don't know.

LMAO - Loadsa keep yer knickers on sunshine :rolleyes:

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I said it seems more in line for DX10. Not that it is.

It's just a guess as the x2900 took ages to come out so it might have more features that DX10 will take advantage of against the GTX. I think the next Nvidia card could have problems like the x2900 if they have to change things to get acceptable DX10 performances. All speculation of course but isn't that what these boards are about?.

Ross1234 · 21 Jul 2007 at 18:01

helmutcheese said:

You should be forced to change your username
It brings up horrible images

Tom|Nbk · 21 Jul 2007 at 19:34

LoadsaMoney said:
How can you possibly say the 2900 will shine in Dx10 games when Dx10 games are not even here yet, no one could possilby know, even AMD/ATi don't know.

Yes they do they have been playing about with DX10 before it was even out. Microsoft worked along side ATi when making the card and it also has a DX10.1 certified Spec. So yes, yes they do know.

LoadsaMoney · 21 Jul 2007 at 19:37

Then why have all these so called Dx10 games not been released yet that they have been playing around with even before Dx10 came out in January with Vista, i didn't know any Dx10 games had been finished yet actually. :confused:

You see, they don't know at all how Dx10 games will run on their cards yet as theres none finished yet, or out.

Tom|Nbk · 21 Jul 2007 at 19:42

LoadsaMoney said:
Then why have all these so called Dx10 games not been released yet that they have been playing around with even before Dx10 came out in January with Vista, i didn't know any Dx10 games had been finished yet.

Course they have played about with DX10 before it was even out the R600 was in development long before January :confused:

you dont make a DX10 card having not played about with DX10, It's well know Microsoft worked with ATi on the 2900 and its certified all the way to the DX10.1 spec which is not even out yet. I think you need to do your homework mate go for a read on the Beyond3D forums. :rolleyes:

LoadsaMoney · 21 Jul 2007 at 19:48

read what you quoted me saying, i said Dx10 games, so your telling me they know how well Dx10 games will run already, and that they did long before Dx10 came out, even though theres no Dx10 games finished yet, erm ok. :confused:

so when Crysis etc... come out were looking at 60+ as apparently Crysis etc...were finished last year sometime as ATi and Nvidia have been playing them, so they wont be like the crap we got now where they can hardly break 30fps, if thats the case im gona buy a hat.

Tom|Nbk · 21 Jul 2007 at 19:57

LoadsaMoney said:
read what you quoted me saying, i said Dx10 games, so your telling me they know how well Dx10 games will run already, and that they did long before Dx10 came out, even though theres no Dx10 games finished yet, erm ok.

so when Crysis etc... come out were looking at 60+, not like the crap we got now were they can hardly break 30fps, if thats the case im gona buy a hat.

Course they know how DX10 games will perform, they designed the architecture :confused:

. I think your missing how DX10 actually works, It's all done via stream processors etc completely different from the dx9 arc that traditionally used pixel pipelines, these stream processors can do a number of different things DX10 is built from the ground up with a unified architecture in mind. This unified API and GPU architecture collapses the traditional vertex, geometry and pixel units into one processing stage instead of separate units. So depending on how efficient the ATi arc is will reflect final game performance. :confused: