What happened to 10,000rpm hard drives ?

Psycho Sonny said:
I run an unraid server so I have several large drives however I'm not a normal consumer.

I'm saying that 14-16TB ssds just won't be a normal thing for at least 20 years.

Once they are below £200 is when they will be considered mainstream and comparable to mechanical drives of today in terms of £/TB. I don't think that may ever happen tbh. In 20 years time cloud gaming and cloud storage is likely to have gotten to the point along with broadband that buying storage will be a thing of the past.

We will all be streaming from the cloud
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You mean like we did with unlimited online storage via Streamload in the early to mid 2000's and gaming from the cloud like we did from 2009-2012 with On.Live? I think that ship may have sailed already :D
 
I think people value noise levels more than slightly higher speed these days, for people who want speed we have SSDs instead.

HDDs main market is basically storage density now.

I instead have been trying to source enterprise level reliability at max 5400rpm, seems non existent.
 
Avalon said:
Reading some of the comments here it sounds like someone needs to tell Seagate that the roadmap it recently published to 100TB mechanical drives in the next few years may need revising, then again we live in a world where in the consumer space NAND is not economical for large drives and the appetite for them in retail at this point is low, objectively Seagate is one of the few OEM's in this space who historically lacked it's own NAND production and had to outsource, so they kind of had an interest in mechanical drives still being a thing, but tiered storage is a thing and NAND isn't ideally suited to longer term storage.
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Seems though that the consumer market has stalled. Capacity hasn't really increased in some years, I guess largely because at the moment people just don't need more space. I would imagine most people are more than happy with say a 4TB HDD. I know that my own space requirement hasn't changed in many years. Or at least it has not increased exponentially like it used to. I guess the last time it really stepped up was when films started consuming a few gigabytes each. Games have risen, but pretty slowly. I wonder if something else will suddnely appear that will require a huge amount of additional space??
 
pp111 said:
Seems though that the consumer market has stalled. Capacity hasn't really increased in some years, I guess largely because at the moment people just don't need more space. I would imagine most people are more than happy with say a 4TB HDD. I know that my own space requirement hasn't changed in many years. Or at least it has not increased exponentially like it used to. I guess the last time it really stepped up was when films started consuming a few gigabytes each. Games have risen, but pretty slowly. I wonder if something else will suddnely appear that will require a huge amount of additional space??
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Games will always be the driving force for the mainstream.

Business users will buy whatever is needed regardless of costs.

The people who are using large drives are folk storing illegal media. Let's be honest that's the mainstream market for home use of large drives.

Storage has now gotten to a point it's actually cheaper to buy and run cloud storage and I can only see that improving with time and broadband speeds increasing too.

Those who don't have fast broadband may be the ones then that stick with local storage for longer.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
Games will always be the driving force for the mainstream.

Business users will buy whatever is needed regardless of costs.

The people who are using large drives are folk storing illegal media. Let's be honest that's the mainstream market for home use of large drives.

Storage has now gotten to a point it's actually cheaper to buy and run cloud storage and I can only see that improving with time and broadband speeds increasing too.

Those who don't have fast broadband may be the ones then that stick with local storage for longer.
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Maybe me 20 years ago :)

Lately its been lots of game recordings for me, and game downloads/mods/backups. The amount of space all this stuff takes is an eye opener, final fantasy 7 a 1998 game, the mods for that game on my ssd is taking over 300gig.

But I agree with your point when you take into account the expense on buying storage for backups/redundancy cloud storage which has that take care off (at least on the big providers) starts to make sense. I dont think we quite there yet though, gigabit broadband needs to become more available and cloud pricing still needs to come down a bit more.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
The people who are using large drives are folk storing illegal media. Let's be honest that's the mainstream market for home use of large drives.
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Wow that's some fat wide brush you're painting every home owner of large drives with there !. I'm storing and backing up the personal files of my partner and three children together with photos I've taken over the last 40 years or so with mobiles and DLR digital cameras (some being tiff scans and many high quality 50 mega pixel camera photos).
 
digitaldreams said:
Wow that's some fat wide brush you're painting every home owner of large drives with there !. I'm storing and backing up the personal files of my partner and three children together with photos I've taken over the last 40 years or so with mobiles and DLR digital cameras (some being tiff scans and many high quality 50 mega pixel camera photos).
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You missed the bit where most of the predictions he made were 10-20 years behind reality ;)
 
digitaldreams said:
Wow that's some fat wide brush you're painting every home owner of large drives with there !. I'm storing and backing up the personal files of my partner and three children together with photos I've taken over the last 40 years or so with mobiles and DLR digital cameras (some being tiff scans and many high quality 50 mega pixel camera photos).
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Do those types of files require 10,000 rpm drives?
 
Armageus said:
Speeds haven't taken a step backwards though - modern 7200rpm drives will obliterate velociraptors in transfer speed and even likely seek time (assuming you aren't seeking across the whole drive) due to increases in areal density.
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Just had a look and you are 100% right

https://hdd.userbenchmark.com/Compare/WD-VelociRaptor-300GB-vs-WD-Gold-6TB-2016-/m1307vsm167511

I remember velociraptor drives weren't cheap I had a few.

So comparing to a circa £180 drive today and it gets obliterated.


Also not bad for a less than £100 drive

https://hdd.userbenchmark.com/Compa...0GB-vs-Seagate-Barracuda-3TB-2016/m1307vs3898
 
Armageus said:
Speeds haven't taken a step backwards though - modern 7200rpm drives will obliterate velociraptors in transfer speed and even likely seek time (assuming you aren't seeking across the whole drive) due to increases in areal density.
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Pretty much this.

I remember upgrading from my 36 gig raptor, had a choice between 640 gig black and 72 gig raptor which were not too far apart in price.

Common sense won me over when I realised the first 72 gig of a 640gig black drive would be similar performance to the raptor which I was right, so for the price I effectively got a raptor with a free second 570 gig drive. As I partitioned off the fast part for windows and used rest for storage. Also bear in mind in those days wd black drives had same cpu as raptors and some of the enhancements to build quality as well.

Now days if you want speed you get an ssd, if you want storage you get a spindle.
 
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Psycho Sonny said:
The people who are using large drives are folk storing illegal media. Let's be honest that's the mainstream market for home use of large drives.
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i haven't had any illegal media for many years but i still need really large drives mainly for games
Which is even worst now i have MS gamepass which also has lots of EA games ;)

Even my xbox one X had 6+TB of hard drives completely filled with games :cry:

Large NVMe M.2 really need to drop in price as at the moment it about £1,150 for an 8TB QLC one or around £500 to £650 for just a 4TB one :(:mad:
 
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chaparral said:
i haven't had any illegal media for many years but i still need really large drives mainly for games
Which is even worst now i have MS gamepass

Even my xbox one X had 6+TB of hard drives completely filled with games :cry:
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I used to do the same but then I realised I was just installing games and had no intention of ever playing them and now I have just 3 games installed.

Also a 1TB ssd is cheap these days if you don't go for the absolute best and just buy something that will last 5 years then bung it on eBay and buy another.

I dare say 3TB should be enough for any gamer. I'm having a laptop delivered today. It comes with 512GB I'm going to clone that to my current 1TB then put the 512GB nvme in the spare slot and I then have a spare 2.5" I'll put a terabyte in later if I need to for a total of 2.5TB.

In all honesty though I'll never need more than 1TB I just get rid of crap I'll never play again. So 1.5TB will do me unless I decided to do something crazy.

If you play something like flight simulator with a lot of mods then things get interesting but a normal average gamer needs nowhere near the amount you would think they do.

6TB on an Xbox? I'd like to see the amount of time played on all those games in the past year. I'm willing to bet you could have deleted majority and never even noticed that they weren't installed.

I have a good broadband speed so I can easily download anything quickly that would probably change my view if I didn't though. 380MB I can pretty much just download a game in a matter of minutes.
 
chrcoluk said:
Pretty much this.

I remember upgrading from my 36 gig raptor, had a choice between 640 gig black and 72 gig raptor which were not too far apart in price.

Common sense won me over when I realised the first 72 gig of a 640gig black drive would be similar performance to the raptor which I was right, so for the price I effectively got a raptor with a free second 570 gig drive. As I partitioned off the fast part for windows and used rest for storage. Also bear in mind in those days wd black drives had same cpu as raptors and some of the enhancements to build quality as well.

Now days if you want speed you get an ssd, if you want storage you get a spindle.
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It is something a lot of people didn't/don't seem to realise - even now raptors will hold up over their capacity better than these big newer drives but if you short stroke/partition the first bit of the drive on a modern HDD you will get as good or in some cases much better performance than the raptors.

Unfortunately I think I've lost the screenshots now but back in the day I used to short stroke Seagate 7200RPM drives and would load into a multiplayer game as fast or even faster than the people on raptors and way ahead of the people who were just using their HDDs as normal. Same with being an early adopter of 120Hz monitors - I could tell the difference in game as adoption started to take off and I'd lose the edge I used to have over people with general purpose 60Hz displays (there was a gap there as CRTs died off before 120+Hz gaming LCDs were mainstream).
 
Interesting as well both my wd 640gig black and 36 gig raptor still work and are running in my ryzen rig, in the day both those models were built to high standard.
 
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