What have AMD got planned to catch Intel?

[Kinitawawi]

I just like to see the underdog win, in this case its Core 2 duo this Core 2 duo that, im sporting for AMD!

It will be interesting to see the new 5400 5600 and 6000+ for the AM2 socket, too little too late? Maybe, but it'll close the gap eh?

AMD fanboy? I've not been in this game long enough to be any kind of fanboy

 

[Defcon5]

if you currently have ddr memory mobo stick with amd

You can use ddr with conroe

 

[d00d]

It's kinda dumb to never buy from a company for no real reason. the Conroes are excellent right now, buy whats best, not from any set company.

well reason is that intel gernerally is much too expensive compared to the amd derivates.

 

[FunkyCowie]

I`m an AMD Fanboy... but if I did have the money now to buy a new computer, a 'real' new computer (£1000+) then I`d jump ship and go conroe. However by the time the wife lets me even think of getting a new one AMD will probably be on top again with Quads and I`ll be able to remain an AMD Fanboy. May the Dark side never seduce me!

I have thrown a few friends into the Darkside to save my butt

 

[simmonz]

ok some very interesting thoughts so far in this thread and thought id like to give my 2 cents. The last Intel CPU i had was a P3 733 many years ago. Since then ive used AMD CPUs...and ive not had a single problem with them.

Now, Conroe..looks very interesting to me and although im not a big fan of intel (DRM anyone) I do like conroe a lot..infact, i would buy it if i was building a new machine from scratch. However, it's wise to see what AMD do come up with over the next 6-12 months. Now K8L might be crap...but then again it might blow conroe away because "its that good".

No one will really know until nearer the time. Personally, I think its going to be close, but hey, it gives the fanboys something to fight over doesnt it? gotta keep em all happy

 

[Gashman]

its completely daft, i prefer AMD products personally but i wouldn't hesistate to buy a C2D if i was upgrading from something much slower than my current rig (which can handle anything without any problems) so for me theres no reason for a worthless upgrade, but maybe later this year i might make jump to intel if they still have top performing product, but hes right, if AMD can't catch up it'll be back to the days where intel ripped you off so good and proper the days of the original pentium where it cost 1500 pounds for pentium II 266mhz, what a rip-off

Edit: and AMD don't have to find 'that much more performance' in K8L, conroe isn't that far ahead you know, though most people act like its 500% faster or something, its not as fast as the hype makes out, if AMD can get 25% more power from K8 that should keep them competative, and the move to 65nm later this year, should keep intel in check and before you use the argument 'i can get FX-62+ performance from entry level C2D' im getting FX-60+ power from a 'weak, outdated and obseleted by conroe' X2, so that mean absolutely sweet FA

 

[LoadsaMoney]

Conroes arnt too badly priced these days for what you get i see no reason to stick with brand loyalty when all your going to get is an out of date much worse performing product

Agreed, i paid £180 for my A64 3500+ last November, just got an E6600 Conroe for about £200, and it decimates it.

Ive always been AMD to until now, but you can't beat the Conroes, im well impressed, bloody things are awesome.

 

[wiggy]

[QUOTEIt's the first time I can remember when AMD have been so far beind Intel but I will still refuse to buy Intel cos I don't like the Bing bong bing adverts

Have AMD got plans to catch up?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, yet another socket revision!

 

[easyrider]

i'll never ever gonna buy intel stuff. no matter what

WHY?


Do you think AMD care that you only buy their products?
Do you think INTEL care that you don't buy their products?
They care not one bit.


The only thing you are doing is wasting your money.Having a slower pc based on nothing but loyalty to a company that doesn't give a hoot about you.

LMAO

 

[wiggy]

I dont care what brand it is, i would just buy the better performing chip at the time.

 

[YooEntSinMeROYT]

The one thing AMD still has in it's favour is their on die memory controller.
Intel are still stuck on the aging quad pumped FSB.
AMD are not dead in the water by any means, & I'm no fanboy as my next upgrade will likely be Kentsfield.

 

[lucifersam]

The memory controller does not make much difference on current CPU's only in Benchmarks, the FSB on Intels is not even flooded with the core 2 quad so it is not really much of an issue imo

 

[Rroff]

Errrm that is completely misinformed.
AMD are moving to 65nm at the end of this year (only really worth noting, we won't see much performance gain from this first off).

Then in Q2 07.... 6months away, we should see the first native quad core K8L or barcelona or whatever people want to call it. If this doesn't outpace the equivalent C2Quad i will be very suprised. There not much but small revision changes on the intel roadmap so performance will likely not be that far from where it is today.

AMD are getting all they can out ofm the server market right now because they have the sought after product. C2D isn't really proven enough in the server arena for people to start migrating and the planned future of AM2 socket means cheap future upgrades for businesses should they want it. They are certainly not migrating their designs over to this area, they just have products which suit both.

If you are buying a CPU now and building from scratch then C2D is the way forward, unless, like i have said previously, you have a tight budget for future upgrades. I went with an X2 because i have banked on K8L being stupid fast and so when i upgrade in 8-10 months i'm only gonna have to buy the CPU.
I may get screwed and K8L is a dud but i highly doubt it.

- "completely misinformed" - lol whatever - you then go and pretty much backup everything I said... a lot of the information I get corresponds with www.mikeshardware.co.uk (roadmap) so possibly mildy inacurate at best.

 

[Rroff]

The one thing AMD still has in it's favour is their on die memory controller.
Intel are still stuck on the aging quad pumped FSB.
AMD are not dead in the water by any means, & I'm no fanboy as my next upgrade will likely be Kentsfield.

- whilest testing my G.Skill 6400 HZ the benchmarks for 1000MHz on 4-4-4-8 timings gave my C2D an advantage in latency and bandwidth outweighing the AMD advantage of having the controller on die. Off the top of my head I think the latency was 42.8ns.

 

[Kamakazie!]

- "completely misinformed" - lol whatever - you then go and pretty much backup everything I said... a lot of the information I get corresponds with www.mikeshardware.co.uk (roadmap) so possibly mildy inacurate at best.

how did you work that out?
You said the best part of a hear. i said 6 months.

you said intel will have shifted the goal posts quite a bit. i said they won't have.

you said AMD are concentrating on server/workstation and won't "go head to head with intel again" for a couple of years. I disagreed with that. pointing out that they are selling well there, not specifically chasing the market with their designs. I don't even get what you mean by the "going head to head" bit. They are directly competing with intel NOW and will be for the foreseeable future.

 

[KizZ]

I dont care what brand it is, i would just buy the better performing chip at the time.

Same here. I just buy what's best value for money. Last year it was the Optys and I got one. If it was now I would go for a E6300.

 

[Rroff]

6 months is the earliest - 8-10 months is much more realistic and is the best part of a year...

Do you see intel standing on their laurels? they have quad cores hot on the heels of the core 2 duo, and a lot of new products roadmapped...

As you said AMD is doing well in the server market at the moment and is where they are concentrating their efforts rather than going head to head against intel in the performance desktop market.

 

[Northwind]

I just like to see the underdog win, in this case its Core 2 duo this Core 2 duo that, im sporting for AMD!

That particular race has already been won though...Next heat starts second quarter, might be different then.

 

[dark4orz]

Some people won't like this, but it's my opinion - Frankly, conroe is hype (to a certain proportion), I actually hate Intel, I switched from amd to conroe only because of the encoding & overclocking performance, even now Im starting to get fed up with overclocking it, and now I use it mostly on stock speeds for encoding.

Dont get me wrong it's a good chip, but there's a slight tingle of loyalty for AMD - only because their not so jumping up & down like Intel as far as DRM is concerned and all the other things they have got their fingers in.

For encoding and overclocking I would recommend it, just because there's nothing on the market to match their performance, shifting from a X2 4800 the only difference i have seen is a huge boost for encoding and overclocking, if that does not interest you then stick with AMD.

 

[Duke]

The people who keep to one manufacturer are nutters Ok go ahead and buy a 4800+ X2 for £50 more then a Conroe which would beat it and stock and annihilate it when overclocked