What if God evolved?

hendrix · 1 Dec 2006 at 14:24

Gilly said:
Thats all well and good - if you subscribe to the big bang theory...

It's pretty much impossible for me to think otherwise. So much talk about the big bang from astronomy module last year. Someone always seems to mention it at least once a week now too. I can't logically think of anything else.

Rasputin_RU · 1 Dec 2006 at 14:27

Mat said:
Agreed, in the eyes of society, but who is to say that the if there is a God, that their views have changed. The bible isnt rewritten for the convenince of society at the time.

I said it because i was askin all the religious leaders, Rabbi Imam, Priest etc... they all agree on that, and quoted me that it so.
i agree that it human made books written for the mass control or anything else.
But if the book is not true maybe god isn't true too?
And then we have no question of possibility of god evolving?

Also to add to it.

What is god? The one we are disscusing here? Religion based or something else in your opinion?

Gilly · 1 Dec 2006 at 14:27

Rasputin_RU said:
if we look from biblical point of view there it is.
Is it ok to make love to your sister and have kids? Not today in eyes of god.
BUT, when adam and eve were only two humans and thier babys have had se... they were brothers and sisters presumably, and it was ok.
So to me it means that thru a period of time gods mind has evolved to let prophits know that from now on this is not a good thing to do?
What do you say?

I say you're talking nonsense. Because society has evolved it means a supreme being has evolved?

Complete nonsense.

Van Hellseek · 1 Dec 2006 at 14:34

Rasputin_RU said:
What do you say?

i say that isn't evolution.

Combat squirrel · 1 Dec 2006 at 14:40

Rasputin_RU said:
How many Chromosomes do humans have? and monkeys? and can they become from for example 30 to 31?
if yes why do monkeys still not mutate into humans?

i have an accuaitance sientologist, and as you say they at least make more sence.

Again --- say whhhhhhhhhaaa ? what's the amount of chromosomes in humans and monkeys got to do with 'why do monkeys not mutate into humans' infact the statement itself is just well.....rubbish,lol

Well ill just say some basic common sense things 1st,
1) natural mutation takes millions of years for significant advances, humans didnt magically become homosapians from single celled life forms, or our 'monkey like ancestors', there were 10's if not hundereds of significant intermittent stages.

2) Monkeys wouldn't ever evolve into humans, because there not of the same order; simians (infraorder Simiiformes) are higher primates, and if and when they evolved to a level of 'intelligence' akin to what we measure ourselves by they still wouldn't be human, they would be whatever species they evolved to, just as Neanderthal man is not human, but is of high enough intelligence that they could have been the 'intelligent' species on this planet

3) The world around a species dictates how it evolves to a certain degree if monkeys are getting by just fine as there's little incentive for there genes to change, however if it changed too quick it would most likely die out anyway as a species, a careful blend of enough change and a steady pace to allow genetic mutation would be called for. However by pure chance a monkey could be born at random with significant advances in brain functioning, and if it went on to mate and produce similar offspring it would begin a species wide advance onto the next generation, assuming its genetic mutation is succesful

Yeah ironically scientology at least has a basis of what could be partial truth, statistically speaking there should be at least one úber advanced alien species out there. There's of course a theoretical chance they could have started the human race, personally I think its incredibly unlikely and a load of rubbish, but that chance in the eyes of a rational thinker is significantly higher than 'an all supreme deity ' type dude

iCraig · 1 Dec 2006 at 14:45

basmic said:
I am a believer in God, but I also believe the human has evolved - or other creatures have devolved from us.

Which God? The God depicted in the Holy Bible?

As that God apparently made every living thing then, as it is today. No evolution took place. Humans were placed on the Earth, genetically and physically the same. Only socially have we changed through time.

With today's technology and research I think religion is finding it harder and harder to justify their beliefs - carbon dating and fossil records show that the Earth is much much much older than the Bible says it is, for instance.

Gilly · 1 Dec 2006 at 14:46

hendrix said:
It's pretty much impossible for me to think otherwise. So much talk about the big bang from astronomy module last year. Someone always seems to mention it at least once a week now too. I can't locigally think of anything else.

Fair enough. I personally subscribe to it as well, but you have to remember that it is a theory, and if you're basing other theories on it you're going to have to bear that in mind.

Rasputin_RU · 1 Dec 2006 at 14:47

2) Monkeys wouldn't ever evolve into humans, because there not of the same order simians (infraorder Simiiformes) are higher primates, and if and when they evolved to a level of 'intelligence' akin to what we measure ourselves by they still wouldn't be human, they would be whatever species they evolved to, just as Neanderthal man is not human, but is of high enough intelligence that they could have been the 'intelligent' species on this planet

3) The world around a species dictates how it evolves to a certain degree if monkeys are getting by just fine as there's little incentive for there genes to change, however if it changed to quick it would most likely die out anyway as a species, a careful blend of enough change and a steady pace to allow genetic mutation would be called for. However by pure chance a monkey could be born at random with significant advances in brain functioning, and if it went on to mate and produce similar offspring it would begin a species wide advance onto the next generation, assuming its genetic mutation is succesful

So what you are saying is that if advanced mokey was born and mated with a homan it is possible for more advanced being.
Well why not.
I personally tend so far to believe that there is another dimention or maybe race in space (alliens) supperior to us, and that's why we are here.
As yet i can not see advanced monkeys mating with humans.

Mat · 1 Dec 2006 at 14:52

iCraig said:
Which God? The God depicted in the Holy Bible?

As that God apparently made every living thing then, as it is today. No evolution took place. Humans were placed on the Earth, genetically and physically the same. Only socially have we changed through time.

With today's technology and research I think religion is finding it harder and harder to justify their beliefs - carbon dating and fossil records show that the Earth is much much much older than the Bible says it is, for instance.

I completely agree with you but whenver I use arguments like that when chatting to religious folk, theyre always countered with things like,
"Whats the difference between you taking the word of a scientist or scientific paper and me taking the word of a priest or the bible?"
Also "How does carbon dating actually proove anything? Proove to me that grass is green? You cant, its just a term we give to something that is." etc.

iCraig · 1 Dec 2006 at 14:54

Rasputin_RU said:
So what you are saying is that if advanced mokey was born and mated with a homan it is possible for more advanced being.
Well why not.

He was saying that monkeys will never evolve into us, as they're not like us. Their evolution does not need to, and will not begin to shift into the direction of humans. Cross breeding between a human and another primate would not work.

Rasputin_RU said:
I personally tend so far to believe that there is another dimention or maybe race in space (alliens) supperior to us, and that's why we are here.
As yet i can not see advanced monkeys mating with humans.

There are hundreds of theories on different dimensions, all fascinating, but not truly plausible as they're based largely on imagination, conjecture and a small amount of scientific evidence.

I believe there are aliens, simply due to the fact that the universe is so huge, the chances of another planet similar to ours harbouring life is to great too dismiss. I don't think aliens have visited us, or plan to enslave us, if anything, I think aliens are thousands of light years away, way out of reach, perhaps contemplating the exact same thing we do about life beyond the stars.

Rasputin_RU · 1 Dec 2006 at 14:55

iCraig said:
Which God? The God depicted in the Holy Bible?

As that God apparently made every living thing then, as it is today. No evolution took place. Humans were placed on the Earth, genetically and physically the same. Only socially have we changed through time.

With today's technology and research I think religion is finding it harder and harder to justify their beliefs - carbon dating and fossil records show that the Earth is much much much older than the Bible says it is, for instance.

i agree, but religion is still there, as it gives people shelter after the death. (HEAVEN) we call it. people are afraid to die. the very fack of it kills us. so when belief is there it's good we believe we will never die.

Now can anything be destroyed, die or be born?
i think it can only chnge shape, as scientists still can not destroy even dust.
We burn the paper it changes shape into ashes and smoke but it is still there.
So to conclude even GOD evolves in my opinion, changes shape all the time.
Nothing is static not even for a 0.0000000.......1 of a second. and nothing is dead.
Everything is GOD
How old are you? as old as first of your ancestors, as you were already there.

squiffy · 1 Dec 2006 at 14:55

So what you are saying is that if advanced mokey was born and mated with a homan it is possible for more advanced being.

No because they're too different. I think you're expecting mircacle change overnight, evolution isn't like that. It takes time.

Most creationalists think like that, just because something doesn't change overnight that evolution must be false. The proof of evolution is that there ARE similar species to each other. Look at big cats, there's not just one but loads. Same for humans.

Humans evolve too, why is it that Eskimos are short, white and stocky, and africans are tall, thin and black? The enviroment changes the species over time. If Eskimo-like human mutations did pop up in hot climates they wouldn't last that long (say 5000 years ago) although they wouldn't as evolution is so slow you're not going to get a completly different species in a one generation.

eddiemcgarrigle · 1 Dec 2006 at 14:56

I am also a believer in God and as such have to point out that Darwin's theories about human evolution have never been proven.

There has never been a fossil that has proved that we descended from anything other than early man. This in turn has caused scholars who were once pro-Darwin to summarise that they now believe that we may have been 'put' here by a race of super beings or more likely, God.

Solaris · 1 Dec 2006 at 14:59

The only god I like is me in Black and White two......

iCraig · 1 Dec 2006 at 15:00

squiffy said:
Most creationalists think like that, just because something doesn't change overnight that evolution must be false.

You can witness evolution on a much faster scale in lower forms of life, microscopic bacteria evolve in order to stay alive and multiply.

Creationists often dismiss that as irrelevant evidence. 'Microscopic order is too small to try and theorise upon" is what a bible-nut answered me with before.

sarutobi · 1 Dec 2006 at 15:00

god cant evolve and things cant evolve into god

god by definition is perfect and would not have had a state or unperfectness before hand AND obviously you cant become better than perfect

Pug · 1 Dec 2006 at 15:03

eddiemcgarrigle said:
There has never been a fossil that has proved that we descended from anything other than early man.

being an Agnostic atheist (Cant say for sure about god as there's not enough info, but sway more to the atheistic view) i understand this is true?

Apparently there is no real evidence of macro evolution. We see evolution within species, but we dont have evidence of evolution from simple organisms to complex ones. Thats my only issue with evolution.

squiffy · 1 Dec 2006 at 15:03

There has never been a fossil that has proved that we descended from anything other than early man.

Lack of evidence doesn't mean the theory isn't possibly true. Apparently Chimps share quite a bit of DNA with humans. Give chimps a few million years to evolve, hopefully without us humans wiping them out, and it's entirely possible they could evolve into a sentient being. Just like we are.

You can't prove chimps won't evolve, as you won't be here to see it. And it's too slow to see, at least for complex lifeforms.

Pug · 1 Dec 2006 at 15:05

squiffy said:
Apparently Chimps share quite a bit of DNA with humans.

so do bananas

King4aDay · 1 Dec 2006 at 15:09

Rasputin is my new favouritest member ever

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I really really hope he dosn't turn out to be a prank.

/hugs Rasputin in a monkey-like fashion....