What if?

i think all religious talk should be banned from here tbh

gets on my god damn nerves

Jesus Christ! Ain't that the truth! Lord knows why people keep talking about religion.

Mind you, people will see a warning about religious posts and they will be nun the wiser. Let's just pray the message gets across!
 
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Assuming religion never existed historically then most likely it would have been replaced with another system of control & coercion to fill the void left.

This is already happening in my opinion.

With the popularity of religion in many western societies in decline, we have seen the new control method: Media.

We do not see, hear or read anything that has not been specifically tailored and approved by someone, somewhere. We can try and use the internet to find the 'truth' but that is just as biased, and in some cases just as censored as the normal media coverage of any given issue, and again someone somewhere makes the call on whether it can be accessed or not.

I find it interesting that we think of ourselves as so much better informed these days when in fact in many cases we are just as ignorant.

We think Google is our friend, but Google is just a form of control, as is what we see on the BBC news.

So in essence, information is the key to control and always has been, but the form of that control has changed.
 
Fear is a great way of controlling a population, always has always will.

Promise of reward is another way but some people are content as they are, and if someone comes along with a better reward you are ******.
 
Assuming religion never existed historically then most likely it would have been replaced with another system of control & coercion to fill the void left.

You mean like national governments and law? :p

church = government
commandments = law

Science is the new belief system.

That's why religion is now surplus to requirement.
 
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It would be exactly the same. Humanity would simply find something else to argue about.

the world would be split by those with Intel cpu's fighting wars with those with AMD's.

or perhaps eye colour.

or basically anything that makes person A even remotely different from person B.
 
What if the world was made of glazed doughnuts?
You would be like "Man, that's ****in' sweet, I can't believe the world is made of doughnuts."

What if your hands were made of hotpockets?
You would be the first one to be eaten in survival situations.

What if your thumb roared like a dinosaur?
What if you peed out of your nose?
What if your face was shaped like Mexico, or trapezoids, or Texas and Hawaii?

What if the world was made of other worlds combined into a world,
just like the world you started with?
What if another world then ate the world made of doughnuts,
making all the doughnut people ****ed?

What if your face was made of bumblebees?
You would be like "Dude, this really sucks, I do not want a face made out of bumblebees."
What if your dad was made of rainbows?
You would be like "OMG that's lame, I want a dad made out of Ninja Robots."

What if your pool was filled with applesauce?
What if a hotdog was your tongue?
What if your mouth was filled with broken glass, and fire ants, and three-meat jambalaya?

What if you tried to build a spaceship with a cannon that shoots crocodiles at everyone you hate?
And what if those crocodiles could shoot heat-seeking killer bees, ensuring that there would be no escape?

What if your room was filled with lots and lots of puppy dogs? You would be like "Awww, look at the puppy dog.
Wahh, come here, come here, Awww, whatch'ya doin little guy?
Whatch'ya doin? Who's the puppy dog, you're the puppy dog, he's a puppy dog, the puppy doggies!"

Where do the squirrels go during hurricanes?
What if your butt was on your chest?
What if guitars could squirt out sour cream, and nacho cheese, and pure sulfuric acid?
 
I find it interesting that we think of ourselves as so much better informed these days when in fact in many cases we are just as ignorant.

We think Google is our friend, but Google is just a form of control, as is what we see on the BBC news.

So in essence, information is the key to control and always has been, but the form of that control has changed.

The average English speaker today has a vocabulary of 20k to 45k words where as 500 years ago, the number was under 5k. Gravitational acceleration is always between 9.78 and 9.82 m/s^2, whether or not you use Google, BBC, or Wikipedia where as 500 years ago, items falling on the ground was thought to be caused by God wind farts or something.

It is perfectly possible to shape an informed opinion based on facts and logic in today's world - all the knowledge of Mankind, spanning across Millenia, is a few clicks away. Just because the flood of information makes you suffer from delusions of conspiracies, doesn't mean we're as ignorant as we always have been. Nothing could be further from the truth.
 
It would be exactly the same. Humanity would simply find something else to argue about.

Agreed. Hatred for others over profound issues like religion is the same as hatred for petty things like your noisy neighbour or that motorist who failed to indicate. The souls of emperors and cobblers...
 
Religion was crucial to the development of civilization because it allowed humans to coexist in groups that included different tribes, under the banner of a ruler or rulers "blessed" by the god(s). Belief in something greater than themselves prevented these tribes from killing each other and it exerted powerful influence towards cooperation, which lead to cities, states, empires. Yes, it also lead to many wars, deaths, atrocities but, in the long term, some of these confliects were beneficial (the conquests of the Roman Empire lead to the Western Civilization and most of the progress of the last 2000 years has been happening in it).

Today, religion is becoming irrelevant in developed countries and it is part of a greater whole (tradition) rather than the powerful force it used to be. Its main function, to provide power through magical anointment, is failing because educated people don't buy it (they never have anyway, it's just that there are many educated people now compared to, say, just a few hundred years ago).

I tend to agree with your point, although I wouldn't take it as far as saying "crucial", but I'm curious about your claim for the reason why Rome was so expansionist. Can you refer me to sources showing that the underlying reason was Roman religion? I thought it was political/defensive (the Roman republic was formed by a revolution and was repeatedly attacked or threatened with attack) and cultural (the idea that bringing civilisation to the barbarians is a good thing).
 
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We wouldn't have had the ~600 years of the Dark Ages for a start.

We didn't.

The phrase "Dark Ages" isn't even used to describe that period in this area of the world any more because it wasn't a dark age. I wouldn't want to move there (then?), but that's because of the lack of modern technology and medicine. It wasn't dreadfully bad compared with just before and it was better for most people than just afterwards. If I had a choice between being a peasant in England in 800 and being a peasant in England in 1800, I'd choose 800.
 
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