Was written by several people decades later who never spoke to or met whoever they write about and also go on about parabels about wars happening hundreds of years later which are completely off-topic. Why don't people believe in stuff i write? Isn't that favouritism? Like my story of Merlin the Happy Pig?
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That doesn't necessarily render it inaccurate though. I can write a history paper or book on things that happened 200 years ago, and it could be accurate due to appropriate research etc.
There are reasons to be critical about the bible (the various ecumenical councils and the removed gospels are the most obvious to me), but what you've just posted isn't quite there.
I'm chuckling at the thought of a copy of the bible with footnotes and a bibliography
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The problem is much of what is attributed to the bible isn't there, but in the intepretations that have come since and been spread.
Yes, but science begins with what has been proved, and uses this as a foundation to prove other things. Faith necessarily transcends what can be proved; that's what makes it faith.
Well, that's quite a generalisation. Science is quite capable of telling us how the data was achieved, and it is not limited to mere hypothesis about "the simplest way the data can be achieved".
By contrast, faith can say whatever the hell it likes, since it is not restricted to empirical data, objective analysis of available evidence, repeatable experiments, or verifiable facts. The corollary, of course, is that faith cannot prove anything; indeed, it exists in the absence of proof.
Not if you take them literally
That's not the point I'm trying to make -.-. Of course we should strive, curiosity is one of the greatest things we have but that doesn't mean we should abuse it into egotism(probably not the right word).
If you honestly think religion has divided more people then it's united then you have your head in the wrong erroneous place. Modern democratic society has way more prejudice then any religion ever has.
It does?
Yeh, i'll find the parts when i get home,there's actually a youtube video on it, something like "debunking the bible" or along those lines. There's parts of the bible which ask you to do some pretty violent stuff, i believe stoning/flogging is mentioned. Though i'm spitballing here, will find the quotes later.
I remember the part about loving your neighbour, but I don't remember any bit coming after it which said you could kick his arse. If that's the case, there must be a lot of people with some serious arse-kicking to catch up on.
Yes, that's the OT Law of Moses stuff, given specifically to the ancient Jews (and not anyone else). Which is why Christians don't follow it, I believe.
I remember the part about loving your neighbour, but I don't remember any bit coming after it which said you could kick his arse. If that's the case, there must be a lot of people with some serious arse-kicking to catch up on.
Yes, that's the OT Law of Moses stuff, given specifically to the ancient Jews (and not anyone else). Which is why Christians don't follow it, I believe.
I see. Well there's bits about flogging disobediant children, etc. They should make them into episodes like Star Wars, rather than one book, so you could Say "loved Bible 1, but bible 2 was complete pants, was all violence and no substance, Bible 3 totally lost me"
When I read about the Crusades, about the witch hunts of early modern Europe, about terrorism, about another Islamic fundamentalist who blows up a car bomb killing hundreds of innocents, about honour killings, about hardline Christians in America claiming that homsexuals should burn in hell because of their sexual preferences, when I read about all this violence in the name of God/Allah/whichever deity, I lose all faith in religion as a means of uniting people peacefully.
At least disagreements between people in modern democratic rational society is based on reality. Not based on something you only believe in.
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Yes lets "ground" children or do nothing at all, that's the best way to tackle teenage delinquency
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Just because I'm interested, does it make a great deal of difference if you die for black gold or for a deity? Is all of the above an inherant problem with religion or simply a 'flaw' in humankind that causes them to kill each other for various reasons yet put it down to one cause or another because it is easier to rally people to an ideal?
This also ignores that many wars that are put down to religion were based on the attainment of money/power/land etc rather than what would be a relatively simple ideological dispute.
I don't know. But religion causes people to do some pretty radical things. Do you think the terrorists who flew planes into the WTC back in 2001 would be quite so willing to die if their religion hadn't taught them that killing "infidels" was good and right and that by comitting such heinous acts of murder they would be garunteed to go to paradise?
Im atheist but i dont claim there isnt a god. Im open to the thought so does that mean im not an atheist?