What is the point in modern art
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I see you've literally ignored everything I wrote in my last four of five posts.
Well, OK then, but it doesn't make for a very interesting conversation.
Since you obviously didn't read (was it too long?) - I'll recap. If I - or you, or (probably) anyone here - had tried to sell "unmade bed" to an art gallery, they would have (correctly) considered it an absurd waste of time. Because we are not "artists".
But, when you are an "artist", you can do things like have an unmade bed appear in an art gallery. And it becomes "art".
To the cynic (me) it's just an unmade bed, the likes of which can be observed up and down the country in their millions.
To the "art connoussier" (you), it's a work of art. But it's a work of art because it's in an art gallery, and because of who put it there. Logically this MUST be the case because it is, all things said and done, just an unmade bed. The likes of which we have all seen before. Just not in an art gallery.
The thread started with potential but ended as I suspected.
Hello to my fellow unintellectual friends who think modern art is a con; please do your best to ignore the BS.
I once helped out with a school trip to an art gallery. I shared my rather low opinion of modern art with an art teacher, and she concurred.
The argument 'if it's so easy go do it yourself' is garbage. The modern art movement is not controlled by idiots, it's controlled by people who are extremely good at marketing garbage. It might be easy to produce garbage (modern art) but that doesn't mean you will be chosen by the marketers to promote your garbage.
Hello to my fellow unintellectual friends who think modern art is a con; please do your best to ignore the BS.
I once helped out with a school trip to an art gallery. I shared my rather low opinion of modern art with an art teacher, and she concurred.
The argument 'if it's so easy go do it yourself' is garbage. The modern art movement is not controlled by idiots, it's controlled by people who are extremely good at marketing garbage. It might be easy to produce garbage (modern art) but that doesn't mean you will be chosen by the marketers to promote your garbage.
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I answered that with my VERY first post in this thread. The FACT that you have a problem with it, that you are talking about it, gives the unmade bed meaning. It is a validation of its existence.
I also said this before, not all Art is made to be adored, it isn't asking for or looking for compliment to adoration, it isn't after your approval or applause. It can just be, there is an idea, and there is the end product.
Lars Von Trier is a director, his latest film call The House That Jack Built, when it was shown in Cannes people walked out, they hated it. Do you know what Von Trier asked them? "So you really hate it right? Good."
He prefers it that people hate it as opposed to brush it aside.
I love illustration and art (to a degree). The last time I visited the Tate Modern was a good few years ago, the last time when the crack floor. Anyway I started to think the same thing. One time it featured Tracey Emin, Damien Hirst works as well as others. I came away - Not for me.
Have the platform/network to create a sensationalist work (even better if huge in scale or a taboo subject...) it will get noticed. I have utmost respect for some artists but modern art - struggle.
Have the platform/network to create a sensationalist work (even better if huge in scale or a taboo subject...) it will get noticed. I have utmost respect for some artists but modern art - struggle.
I wonder if that will work with my employer.
"I didn't write this code for you. I didn't want it to be good code. I don't want your approval. It destroyed your data and bricked your servers. Got you all talking about me, tho, didn't it?"
Lol.
Truly, modern art defies reason. And logic. And since those are the criteria I most often use to judge things, I'm afraid I'm out.
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Yes, to an extent.
Like the question, "Why is 'Unmade Bed' art at all? It's form is replicated countless times in houses everywhere; therefore it must be because..."
Logic can be applied everywhere. Art is not immune. Why should it be?
Maths can be art, as can engineering. Unless you're saying maths and engineering can't be art?
That would be delicious...
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Yes, to an extent.
Like the question, "Why is 'Unmade Bed' art at all? It's form is replicated countless times in houses everywhere; therefore it must be because..."
Logic can be applied everywhere. Art is not immune. Why should it be?
Maths can be art, as can engineering. Unless you're saying maths and engineering can't be art?
That’s a different topic whether something has logic but why are you applying logic to art? Especially modern art.
You are trying to define art but the point is that art can’t be defined.
So don’t.
But there has to be a difference between "Unmade Bed" and my unmade bed in my house.
There has to be a distinguishing characteristic(s) between the two.
Logic demands it.
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In and of itself, "Unmade Bed" does not pose any new questions that other works of "modern art" do not also pose. To be precise - "Why is this art? If not the form or technique, which is not the result of skill or training, then what?"
It is just another example of a work which poses the same question.
A question which I put to you several posts ago, and you sort of danced around it a little bit, but never answered.
What's the difference between "Unmade Bed" in an art gallery, and my unmade bed at home?
Hey, maybe it'll be interesting for you to list for all our benefit what the differences are. I'm all ears.
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You’ve asked and I’ve answered, many times, you just don’t get it or didn’t read it.
What benefits? Why are you looking for benefits?
Stop looking for things, this is where you are going wrong, stop looking for reasons. It isn’t there to give you a reason, the questions and reasons comes from within. Is that dancing around? You probably won’t understand what that means.
The end of all this is that the FACT that it made an impression on you, which it clearly has, it’s done it’s job.
That’s it, really, that is it.
Don’t think, that’s the answer. Simple? Too simple?
Yes. It’s that simple.
Your answers were all, "You just don't get it."
The difference between "Unmade Bed" and my bed is...?
The point is that art can and is being defined - by very skilled marketers who profit greatly from it. Also by tax evaders and money launderers, but mainly by marketers. The material itself is utterly irrelevant. The only distiction between "modern art" and "not modern art" is the skill and power of the person marketing it - that's how "modern art" is defined.
If I drop a dirty sock on a piece of cardboard, it's not modern art.
If a marketer with enough skill and power says that it's modern art, it's modern art.
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That is how YOU define it.
No, it isn't. That's how the business of modern art defines itself by its actions. I'm describing, not defining.
No, that's the reality of the installation/piece.
"Unmade Bed" is just a bed, some sheets, clothing, etc, thrown on a bed which was slept in and left unmade.
That is the reality of that exhibit. There is nothing mystical or wondrous about the constructions of the exhibit. We know what it is.
But "Unmade Bed" is "art" because of where it is, who put it there, and as Angillion says, who promotes/markets it.
In all other ways it does not differ from countless other unmade beds which are not "art".
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If this thread proves one thing is trying to explain art to people who doesn’t have the mind to be open to the idea of it in the first place is a waste of time. When you start with an agenda then just don’t bother as your mind is already made up.
The funniest thing is that it got you talking.
The funniest thing is that it got you talking.