What is the Point of Veganism?

C.R.A.Z.Y said:
Maybe because non farmed WILD free range fish have lived a natural life without prolonged pain and suffering :rolleyes:

You wanna know who the real hypocrites are? The meat eaters who sit down at the dinner table after hugging/playing and generally receiving love and effection from their cats/dogs/pets..etc who then have no problem munching down on some cheap-ass tesco chicken thats whole existence has been one painfull, cruel and inhumane process :mad:

Humanely killing organic/free range meat is not cruel and it's utterly unfair to say people that consume this have no respect for animals, however cheap-meat is fundamentally cruel and unacceptable in this day and age, sadly lots of meat eaters simply don't care enough and would rather save a few quid then spare a sentient creature significant pain and suffering!

I love the taste of meat but simply cannot afford free range/organic and I'm not selfish enough to think my pleasure or bank balance is more important than the pain and suffering of another highly evolved creature!
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Oh don't be so wet, the cycle will always be there, having a few veggies in the world isn't going to change anything.

For the record, none of my meat is "cheap-ass Tesco" product. Mainly because of the horrible taste due to the lactic acid released caused by stress and is far cheaper because living on a farm, we just trade products.

Why don't veggies also eat free range meat which have lived happy lives? Our pedigree bread of sheep live a luxury lifestyle compared to most, they choose if they want to be in the barn or roam around in the fields at their own will. The only stress they have is shearing, apart from that they are all very tame and come by calling them, no sheep dog is required. When it is time for slaughter, they go to a very humane abattoir. This is what's required for meat to taste at its best.

And still veggies wont eat that meat, even though they have lived a "natural life without prolonged pain and suffering", so your argument for fish is invalid.


However, the incidents such as the Ohio Dairy Farm cruelty and many others in the world, I would happyilydo the same to the farmers involved (if you can fall them that) as they have done to the poor animals involved.

If all farming was done like this, It may even turn me Veggie.

Mercy For Animals - An awareness campaign for the incident in Ohio:
Warning - Video content, but documents the incidents.

http://www.mercyforanimals.org/ohdairy/
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http://www.mercyforanimals.org/ohdairy/
 
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krooton said:
Funniest thing I have ever heard regarding vegans is one putting her cat (an obligate carnivore) on a vegan diet using 'vegan' cat food.

Now THAT is cruelty to animals
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Winds me up... I remember seeing something about this in Seven Pounds (Will Smith film) and remember thinking that there are probably people who do this.:mad:
 
I used to work with a Vegan. He used to clear the office when he farted.

I was a vegetarian (well, lacto-vegetarian) for seven years and could quite easily go back but I do like real meat for roast dinners rather than a nut roast!!
 
Eames said:
I've been thinking to myself for a while, what is the point of being vegan.

Vegetarians I can get, they don't want animals to suffer blah blah.

Vegans - What? Won't eat cheese or milk. Sorry but show me this cheese animal that has died to give me this block of cheddar. Show me this animal that has milk as its blood that has had to die to provide me with this pint of milk.

What is the point? No animals die to give us dairy products.

I rest my case.
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It's even worse than that....let's say everyone becomes vegan. What happens to the demand for dairy products? What happens to the usefulness of dairy producing animals?

What happened to the horse population when the internal combustion engine came along?

Vegans are killing innocent animals.
 
starfighter said:
I agree with you, if anything it is kinda like giving them a job to do, the animals will be happier.

I suppose Vegans claim it is cruel.
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You clearly have no idea about the treatment animals suffer in these types of farm & how they are manipulated in to producing more milk (ie, getting them pregnant on purpose & the calf is ripped away... the animals actually show a form of loss & some have been known to search for and find their calves, even miles away!).

I eat cows & drink milk... etc... I don't really care about the above.

But, I don't delude myself about the conditions they're in...

The only reason I even know is because of a large protest near my mum's home to stop a mega-dairy.
 
I don't care what other people choose to eat or choose not eat for whatever reasons, I just have two simple rules/observations;

1. Don't bang on about it to other people, don't profuse to be right, and others to be wrong, if it comes up just say; "I'm X,Y,Z" no need to add anything extra unless someone asks you "Why?". Why? Because I don't care. You don't eat meat/animal by-products? Good for you! I do. End of conversation.

2. I reserve the right to think of you as selfish **** if you foist your OPINIONS onto your offspring, yes you have the right to raise your children however you want, but it is always going to be inherently selfish to me; denying them something as simple as a type of foodstuff just because you don't "morally" agree with it, or some such.
 
EvilDreams said:
It's even worse than that....let's say everyone becomes vegan. What happens to the demand for dairy products? What happens to the usefulness of dairy producing animals?

What happened to the horse population when the internal combustion engine came along?

Vegans are killing innocent animals.
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That's actually a good thing... we've artificially inflated various animal populations.

Take away the increased demand and the natural order will eventually resume.

Again, I'm not vegan or even pro-vegan... just an interesting point :p
 
C.R.A.Z.Y. i dont get this bit

You wanna know who the real hypocrites are? The meat eaters who sit down at the dinner table after hugging/playing and generally receiving love and effection from their cats/dogs/pets..etc who then have no problem munching down on some cheap-ass tesco chicken thats whole existence has been one painfull, cruel and inhumane process

I could not care less where the meat comes from, neither does my dog ... we eat the same junk together.

and if it was legal for me and my dog to go and slaughter the chickens and cows we would do it together with a smile on our face.

if you was trying to imply that we have no respect for animals but are hypocrites cause we love our pets ... there is a difference, i chose to have the dog here and i chose to have the dead cow on my plate
 
I find that (with the exception of when I eat out) eating all my meat/dairy products from our local farm makes me far more smug than any vegan could possibly be.
 
Mucky_Pup said:
2. I reserve the right to think of you as selfish **** if you foist your OPINIONS onto your offspring, yes you have the right to raise your children however you want, but it is always going to be inherently selfish to me; denying them something as simple as a type of foodstuff just because you don't "morally" agree with it, or some such.
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That happens with everything in the parent/child relationship though - biases are always going to be pushed on to the offspring.

I think my mum was good at not doing that too much - but I'm certain some opinions and biases will have rubbed off on me... I dread to think what it would have been like with a more strongly opinionated parent.
 
sketchytom said:
C.R.A.Z.Y. i dont get this bit

You wanna know who the real hypocrites are? The meat eaters who sit down at the dinner table after hugging/playing and generally receiving love and effection from their cats/dogs/pets..etc who then have no problem munching down on some cheap-ass tesco chicken thats whole existence has been one painfull, cruel and inhumane process
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Ok... but then a little tid-bit I always throw in to the free range vs battery hen debate...

... which chicken... "free range" or "battery" - if it had the mental capacity to do so, would "prefer" to be dead?

My money is on the battery chicken... the free range one would have been happier to lead its life, surely :)

Thus, it's likely happier on your plate than it would have been living!

Ok... then it gets in to the stream of... "well, if there was no demand, it wouldn't have existed in the first place"... blah blah blah... circular argument ensues :)

I could not care less where the meat comes from, neither does my dog ... we eat the same junk together.

and if it was legal for me and my dog to go and slaughter the chickens and cows we would do it together with a smile on our face.

if you was trying to imply that we have no respect for animals but are hypocrites cause we love our pets ... there is a difference, i chose to have the dog here and i chose to have the dead cow on my plate
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Exactly - but I doubt you would get on too well in Korea :D
 
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