What is white privilege?

[Theophany]

Just ignore him, he's being deliberately obtuse.

Disagreeing with you or questioning your statement does not make one obtuse and the fact that, rather than defend your position, you resort to snide name-calling is telling. I know the popular refrain of Rotherham because of the pavlovian response there is for posters to blurt it out, but it is a single data point.

It's like saying entertainers are most likely to be sex criminals because Jimmy Savile was or Italians are most prone to commit crime because of La Cosa Nostra. The actions of a small group of individuals is not evidence of the conclusion you're coming to.

 

[Skunkworks]

Ok, I'll indulge you. Give me a metric more severe than multiple mass murders and multiple child rape gangs.

 

[Dis86]

Disagreeing with you or questioning your statement does not make one obtuse and the fact that, rather than defend your position, you resort to snide name-calling is telling. I know the popular refrain of Rotherham because of the pavlovian response there is for posters to blurt it out, but it is a single data point.

It's like saying entertainers are most likely to be sex criminals because Jimmy Savile was or Italians are most prone to commit crime because of La Cosa Nostra. The actions of a small group of individuals is not evidence of the conclusion you're coming to.

It wasn't a small group of individuals. It ran in to hundreds and potentially thousands of suspects. Often the crimes were committed with the knowledge and even compliance of those in their communities.

 

[Theophany]

Ok, I'll indulge you. Give me a metric more severe than multiple mass murders and multiple child rape gangs.

Those are severe metrics but they aren't what I questioned. I questioned what evidence you had to support your claim as to which 'group' of society is the most outwardly hostile to others.

So as my partner says: if you're going to indulge me, at least do it right.

 

[FoxEye]

Lol.

He's a living, breathing parody by this point, of the most "woke" SJW you could possibly imagine

"Muh racisms!"

 

[Skunkworks]

Those are severe metrics but they aren't what I questioned. I questioned what evidence you had to support your claim as to which 'group' of society is the most outwardly hostile to others.

Mass murdering and raping an out-group is the evidence of outward hostility. Are you slow in the head?

Provide metrics showing more hostility from another group or my point is proven.

 

[Tony Edwards]

I absolutely love this and i really hope it goes viral:

She's 100% correct and i hope more people from the black community who don't agree with BLM speak out

She is right in what she says. Identity politics just plays one group off against another. It destroys the individual identity of a person, and those people that 'step out of line' come under attack from their own group for not adhering to the 'group think' mind set. It is a backwards way of thinking.

She is also entirely correct to make the distinction between American and British history. Both white people and black people in Britain have led a totally different history than white/black people in America.

Its interesting because one of the calls of perceived 'white privilege' is 'I have the privilege to learn about my race in school'. 'White privilege is white history being taught as part of the curriculum and others as an elective'.

Sadly thats what she basicaly said and thats why there is black history month.

 

[Skunkworks]

How many different histories do we have to teach, and what other subjects have to go to make room for it?

 

[Tony Edwards]

How many different histories do we have to teach, and what other subjects have to go to make room for it?

Yeah. Im not following you.

 

[Skunkworks]

How many other culture's history do we have to teach? Just black?

 

[Tony Edwards]

How many other culture's history do we have to teach? Just black?

I read what you said I just dont understand your point to the degree that it is worth responding with an actual real answer. Why are you so fixated with black people? ******* culture! Why do you hate them so much?

Its interesting because one of the calls of perceived 'white privilege' is 'I have the privilege to learn about my race in school'. 'White privilege is white history being taught as part of the curriculum and others as an elective'.

Sadly thats what she basicaly said and thats why there is black history month.

 

[Skunkworks]

I read what you said I just dont understand your point to the degree that it is worth responding with an actual real answer.

You're complaining about them not being taught their history.

I know where there's an entire continent of black privilege.[/QUOTE]

 

[FoxEye]

I read what you said I just dont understand your point to the degree that it is worth responding with an actual real answer. Why are you so fixated with black people? ******* culture! Why do you hate them so much?

When are you going to stop beating your wife?

This country's history is this country's history.

There is no "white history" and "black history". It's just another stupid woke buzzword that means nothing.

 

[Tony Edwards]

You're complaining about them not being taught their history.

I know where there's an entire continent of black privilege.

Im not actually complaing.

When are you going to stop beating your wife?

This country's history is this country's history.

There is no "white history" and "black history". It's just another stupid woke buzzword that means nothing.

This is not my arguement. What I said was.

and thats why there is black history month

I dont know what you think happens during Black history month but I very much doubt it is only black history for the whole month.

Anyway I dont know what happens in school history classes so I cant really talk about it. But I bet this was the most publicised Black history month in history.

 

[FoxEye]

I dont know what you think happens during Black history month but I very much doubt it is only black history for the whole month.

Anyway I dont know what happens in school history classes so I cant really talk about it. But I bet this was the most publicised Black history month in history.

This... this doesn't make any sense.

Any of it.

 

[dowie]

Its interesting because one of the calls of perceived 'white privilege' is 'I have the privilege to learn about my race in school'. 'White privilege is white history being taught as part of the curriculum and others as an elective'.

Sadly thats what she basicaly said and thats why there is black history month.

Which is pretty dumb...

We don't learn about "white history" in school, there is certainly a focus on British History for obvious reasons, which happens to involve plenty of white people but hardly exclusively.

Some stuff I remember covering up to and including GCSE History:

Ancient Egypt early on in school. are Egyptians white?

Again early on - ancient Greece, Trojan war.

There was some coverage of the Vietnam war, are Vietnamese people white?

GCSE stuff:

WW2 - the Gallipoli campaign, are the Turks/Ottomans white?

The Japanese & China pre WW2 - are the Japanese and Chinese white?

The Abyssinia Crisis, again pre-WW2, a Corridor for Camels... are Ethiopeans white?

Sure there was also coverage of the Tudors and the Stuarts, the Norman Invasion of England, the industrial revolution etc...

Outside of history class... RE lessons were focused mostly on the middle east and early Christianity and then later coverage of other world religions... hardly white focused at all, quite the opposite really.

English Literature... well I guess MacBeth and Romeo and Juliette are rather white, Animal Farm was... well Animals, Of Mice and Men was set in the US during the depression and to Kill a Mocking Bird was very much focused on race relations and inequality.

It seems like we've got such low levels of racism that people are now more concerned about quotas, microaggressions and wanting to be pandered to.

A white person of Polish origin can just as easily argue that they're barely represented too, aside from some of the WW2 coverage where they get invaded by Germany and Russia.

And won't anyone think of the Pacific Islanders - why aren't they given more coverage in British History classes?

 

[Tony Edwards]

This... this doesn't make any sense.

Any of it.

Sorry what are you saying? Is it that what would be taught or presented during Black history month is already presented?

Im just trying to find what you mean.

 

[FoxEye]

Sorry what are you saying? Is it that what would be taught or presented during Black history month is already presented?

Im just trying to find what you mean.

Well for a start, what is the difference between "black history" and plain old history? That should be a nice easy starter for 10.

 

[Tony Edwards]

Well for a start, what is the difference between "black history" and plain old history? That should be a nice easy starter for 10.

Ill let some one else explain.

For countless generations people of African and Caribbean descent have been shaping our nation’s story, making a huge difference to our national and cultural life and helping to make Britain a better place to be.
It is this contribution of black British people that I am proud to be celebrating Black History Month this October.

That contribution is overwhelmingly apparent today in the energy, talent and dedication of business leaders, lawyers, academics, musicians, artists and many more. This year we have seen the heroic efforts of all the frontline workers and the doctors, nurses and medical professionals who have been tirelessly supporting our NHS throughout the coronavirus pandemic.

Of course, there is much more work to be done to ensure that every person of every skin colour, background and creed has the opportunity to succeed, and to stamp out discrimination and racism. I understand the force and depth of feeling that has been expressed following the death of George Floyd in the United States, and share the determination of all those seeking a more equal and just world. That’s why I have set up a Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities to make the progress so many have called for, and to bring about lasting change.

But I also believe that alongside tackling the substance of the problem, we should be giving due praise and recognition to all those who have played such an important role in helping to positively shape modern Britain and our modern Commonwealth.

Because it’s a great shame that more people do not know more about Paul Stephenson or Mary Prince. Or that they haven’t heard about the many brave black servicemen who served in the World Wars – from those grappling in the mud of the Western Front, to the valiant Caribbean pilots and aircrew in the Second World War, and the heroes who fought further afield, in places such as Burma. Or even that they know so little about the Windrush generation, from the nurses who were there at the very start of our NHS to all those who helped rebuild our country after the war.

A key part of the Commission’s work will be to look at how we ensure society is more aware of the significant role people from different ethnic backgrounds have played in our shared British history. Let’s use this Black History Month to celebrate not just the achievements of people today, but of all those who have shaped our nation. Let’s raise up those names. Let’s remember their acts. And let’s celebrate them – because black British history is all our history.

Boris Johnson Prime Minister

 

[Skunkworks]

The country's so racist we had to have Stephen Lawrence crammed in our faces for 25 years, and he only got replaced this year by imported outrage from the US.