What is with some people?!?

Azza

Azza

Azza

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So good night out in Chester, waiting in the taxi rank queue with my friends and some bloke tried to push in, so we tell him to get lost...few mins later he tries it with the girls behind us who tell him to **** off again. The bouncer comes over tells him to back off and get to the back and the bloke shoves him so a second bouncer comes and grabs hold of him then he breaks lose and throws a couple of punches, so the bouncers retaliate and then 4 other guys who I'm 80% sure are this blokes mates come running from across the street swinging like mad at the bouncers...one of them is on the floor with the bloke who tried to push in and then another bloke (who I'm sure is his mate from across the street) kicks the bouncer in the face...proper massive thud sound, and then they all run off down an alley way.


Absolute ****s, all happened within 30 seconds, a taxi driving up tried to run one bloke down but missed, only one bloke who was crossing the street could pull one of the guys away and then they ran. He just happened to be an off duty cop, on a night out with his misses. The bouncer seemed ok, just a broken nose and lots of blood. My friends (all girls) at the front of the queue are all shook up about it even I can hear the sound of the bouncer getting kicked in the face now when I think about it. I get pushed away by the police while I'm trying to give them descriptions of the blokes and tell them where they have ran off to which has got me even more annoyed.

So ****ing annoyed at how some people can be so wreck less after a couple of drinks. Really ****ed off at how **** this country is now. I've seen people get into fights when leaving clubs and in clubs, I've even been in some myself before but nothing as cowardice as what I've seen tonight. Taxi driver said there was all CCTV round there now and with people statements from the queue, there must have been at least 50 people hopefully the ****s will be caught.

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Don't know what to say here, pretty much common occurrence round the country and frankly probably something I would bat an eyelid at if it happened across the road from me.
 
Some people are eonrmous ladyplaces. Theres nothing you can do about it. Either don't associate yourself with it, or move away. Britain does have a higher than average share of these incidents. I've not seen it in other places i've been, or certainly not as much.

Still. At least the girls are alright which is where i thought the story was going. The bouncer has probably been scrapped with a few times. Not that that makes it excusable, just preferable to the alternative.
 
Funnily enough I've just got in from working a night doing security on a taxi rank, and I would happily say give me a club any day.
Its a very strange atmosphere when your working outside and you can easily be surrounded and outnumbered before youve even noticed, and yes I've had death threats and people prepaired to try and beat me just for telling them they cant get in a cab booked for someone else.
Absolute morons
 
Are taxi ranks private or public property?

If they are public, what gives bouncers the right to grab hold of anyone ?

Aside from that, it's sad how people get wound up and start with violence over such small things.
 
snowdog said:
Are taxi ranks private or public property?

If they are public, what gives bouncers the right to grab hold of anyone ?

Aside from that, it's sad how people get wound up and start with violence over such small things.
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This is England, we are very strict on our queues. If you push in a bouncer can legally enter your home and kill you. FACT.

But seriously it was probably not private property but they are mostly outside pubs and clubs, I think bouncers are some way responsible for people leaving their establishment.

Besides if someone attacks another person unprovoked, bouncer or not, private property or not, if you think someone needs help you should help them. You know, being a fellow human and all.
 
starfighter said:
This is England, we are very strict on our queues. If you push in a bouncer can legally enter your home and kill you. FACT.

But seriously it was probably not private property but they are mostly outside pubs and clubs, I think bouncers are some way responsible for people leaving their establishment.

Besides if someone attacks another person unprovoked, bouncer or not, private property or not, if you think someone needs help you should help them. You know, being a fellow human and all.
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I agree, someone should have all right to remove someone from his establishment by whatever means, however, in public, I'm strongly against people taking the law into their own hands, helping a victim is one thing, bouncers thinking they can grab and push away someone on a public sidewalk for jumping a queue...

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I misread, still, what gives the bouncer the right to enforce a public queue ? The guy was wrong for shoving the bouncer away at start, however, if he didn't, I believe the bouncer would grab him anyhow.
It's just silly how a random person working for a club or whatever, is supposedly allowed to use force in a public place. Jumping a queue is hardly an attack, doesn't warrant a bouncer coming up pushing him back ?

I know we are talking an aggressive drunk moron here, but I have a vague idea the bouncers have done more than they are allowed to too, I'd have thought it would have been best to let him jump the queue and let him on his way, would have prevented unnecessary wounds on the bouncer and hospital costs. If this was private terrain then forget everything I said, then the bouncers could have beaten the **** out of the guy for all I care, I believe people have the right to defend their property, but on a sidewalk in public, nope, the only ones to enforce the rules there are the cops.
 
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snowdog said:
I agree, someone should have all right to remove someone from his establishment by whatever means, however, in public, I'm strongly against people taking the law into their own hands, helping a victim is one thing, bouncers thinking they can grab and push away someone on a public sidewalk for jumping a queue ( if this was the situation) is something I'd not agree with, what gives someone the right to do that ? Private place, their rules, public place, definitely not.
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you won't get much of an argument from me, many bouncers are ***** on power trips but if they are out looking for a fight, better to have it with bouncers than some girls or the OP.
 
Some people just become hiper-aggressive when they have a lot of alcohol in them, it's how their physiology/mental state reacts.

I fall asleep.
 
snowdog said:
I know we are talking an aggressive drunk moron here, but I have a vague idea the bouncers have done more than they are allowed to too, I'd have thought it would have been best to let him jump the queue and let him on his way, would have prevented unnecessary wounds on the bouncer and hospital costs.
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So any time someone displays beligerant behaviour near you, you bend over? That's not how it should work at all. I'm not overly fond of bouncers myself, having run foul on more than a few occasions, but in this situation I hope the OP or the girls with/behind him thanked him for intervening, because he was right. Whether he would hae done so if he knew 4 guys were gonna take a run at him is another question.
 
There are some ****e bouncers, but from the story it clearly seems the drunk guy threw the first punch. The bouncer was well within his rights to verbally tell him to get to the back.

It's just as well that idiot wasn't up against Terry O'Neill - he would have owned both the guy and his mates running round the corner.
 
Chester has been like that for a long time, I'm not surprised to be honest, you get some right idiots around there.

Stelly
 
snowdog said:
Jumping a queue is hardly an attack, doesn't warrant a bouncer coming up pushing him back ?
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A leading case from some years ago established the legal principle that queue jumping falls within the definition of "behaviour leading to a breach of the peace". Which is arrestable (all offences are now anyway, I think?), so a citizens arrest could be argued to be justified. The bouncers could also argue that they were trying to keep the peace. And more to the point queue-jumpers should be thumped out of principle.


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Meridian said:
so a citizens arrest could be argued to be justified.
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This is such a mis-used concept.

A citizens arrest is where you report an someone to the police for an offence and they decide to detain that person, at this point they are under arrest but not in custody. As a citizen, you DO NOT have the power to detain anyone for any reason.

The bouncers should not have got involved IMO, but maybe the local plod have asked them to take action in regards to crime near their premises, since the clubs are the reason this chap was so drunk.
 
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exactly why i stay out of chester azza ! after 10pm it get roudy in the streets, especially in the kingkabs q, i one got headbutted waitingf for a taxi there, for no reason at all.

shame really as it is a nice city, drinking in the day is better
telfords warehouse is the only place i feel safe to drink really without trouble
 
BigglesPiP said:
This is such a mis-used concept.

A citizens arrest is where you report an someone to the police for an offence and they decide to detain that person, at this point they are under arrest but not in custody. As a citizen, you DO NOT have the power to detain anyone for any reason.
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Why do you propagate misinformation so arrogantly?
 
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