What is with some people?!?
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Not correct.
An example would be section 59 of the Civic Government (Scotland) Act 1982 -
This refers to scetions 57 and 58 of same act.
Source - http://www.opsi.gov.uk/RevisedStatutes/Acts/ukpga/1982/cukpga_19820045_en_7#pt4-pb3-l1g61
Basically if you see someone within the curtilage of a property and it can be reasonably inferred they are there to commit a theft of any kind then you have the power to detain them until the police arrive.
Now, granted, this is in Scotland but I cant imagine there NOT being an English law which is similar.
Thats only 1 example as wel..
BTW - the "bouncer" may or may not have been there FOR the taxi rank. They have these "stewards" in Glasgow etc to help keep it peaceful.
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The misinformation... I was told this in school by a police officer, therefore the information is clearly infallible.
The arrogance... shut up!
I'm glad to be corrected if anyone provides a better source than my current understanding. Arrogant responses on the internet combining a personal attack with "you're wrong because I say so" aren't very convincing.
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See my post.
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Yes, thank you for that. Although I have to bring up one point; how does the citizens arrest in Scottish law apply to the situation for the bouncers or bystanders, it being a public place?
Check out Section 24A of this act for England and Wales - http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2005/ukpga_20050015_en_10
Basically (once you get your head around all the jargon) it means that you CAN detain someone in a public place if they are commiting an INDICTABLE offence. Unfortunaetly not many people outside law enforcement will know if an offence is indictable (trial takes place in front of a jury) or summary (no jury) save for the obvious ones like Murder, Rape etc.
In Scotland it appears that if you see anyone commiting an offence they can be detained by the public until they can be passed into custody of the police.
Note - This is different from the Section 59 I mentioned above. Section 59 is the power of detention for Sections 57 and 58 and you only need to have a REASONABLE belief that the person you see is GOING to commit a theft (housebreaking etc) due to things like their actions, what you hear them say e.g. "we can get in through the back window" etc etc.
The rules for detention other than this is you have to see a crime being commited and not just a possiblilty that it MIGHT be commited.
Hope I made the difference clear.
Basically (once you get your head around all the jargon) it means that you CAN detain someone in a public place if they are commiting an INDICTABLE offence. Unfortunaetly not many people outside law enforcement will know if an offence is indictable (trial takes place in front of a jury) or summary (no jury) save for the obvious ones like Murder, Rape etc.
In Scotland it appears that if you see anyone commiting an offence they can be detained by the public until they can be passed into custody of the police.
Note - This is different from the Section 59 I mentioned above. Section 59 is the power of detention for Sections 57 and 58 and you only need to have a REASONABLE belief that the person you see is GOING to commit a theft (housebreaking etc) due to things like their actions, what you hear them say e.g. "we can get in through the back window" etc etc.
The rules for detention other than this is you have to see a crime being commited and not just a possiblilty that it MIGHT be commited.
Hope I made the difference clear.
Bouncers are licenced by local councils where i used to live. Taxi ranks are marked out and maintained by councils, and thus the responsibilty would surely be akin to that of a Security Guard.
The owner of the property, a local government authority, has licenced the enforcement of an area they own to qualified individuals (bouncers are licenced, not just guys on the street). Sounds ok to me.
Thats how it was in Chelmsford anyway.
The owner of the property, a local government authority, has licenced the enforcement of an area they own to qualified individuals (bouncers are licenced, not just guys on the street). Sounds ok to me.
Thats how it was in Chelmsford anyway.
I get way less violent when i'm drunk, and i'm never violent when i am drunk. I'm just happy and try to be mates with everyone and enjoy myself. You do get *** heads though who act like complete idiots and thrive on fighting which reeks no reward what so ever.
The 'bouncer' is there as a steward, to help keep peace at known points of trouble. They have less rights than someone working a pub of club but would have been appointed by the local council.
Don't see why that isn't being understood
Don't see why that isn't being understood
Our streets are full of scum and though scum is in the minority pleasingly, scum tends to go drinking at the weekend and sadly normal people (the masses) get exposed to it. To my mind they need to be kicked to **** until they need a straw to eat before slowly dying 6 months later so we don't have to fund them. This should happen to ALL scum as sadly it's the only thing scum would understand but we don't live in a fair world so mostly scum gets away with it. Personally I am tired of scum, I detest it with a passion and I am lucky that my lifestyle means I am rarely exposed to it but I feel for people that have to experience it, like I did when a yooth, as its very distasteful and unfair. My last exposure to scum was having to pull a young scum, all hard and tough off his girlfriend when he was punching her in the street over and over again. I was with my wife and my mother driving back from the cincema after a nice night to be confronted by this tool and had to intervene which personally annoyed the **** out of me.
Scum, it needs wiping out.
Scum, it needs wiping out.
i was on a night out in bath for mine and gfs birthday, end of night we ordered some taxis so they were only coming for us, when they arrived 2 guys came over trying to get in the taxi, the driver told them he as booked for us and told them to go away, the two guys start getting aggressive and eventualy one of them decided to pee through the taxi drivers window :/ at this moment 2 cop vans come round the corner, the driver flags them down mean while the two lads leg it. driver tells the police and points to were they went, police not really bothered about them running and just stand there and start to take details. 5 mins later they drive off having done nothing.
I love internet lawyers! As has been explained to you, it is within your rights to detain someone for a wide range of offences, though queue jumping doesn't quite cut it.
This interesting concept you've invented of reporting a crime making the arrest a citizen's arrest is new though and I like it. I do wonder how you're going to explain to the people you've so authoritatively lambasted for "misusing" the term citizen's arrest and who were too ignorant to challenge you, that you were wrong?
I think it just depends what City/Town you are in. In 8 years of living in Leeds I think ive only ever seen 3 big fights/happenings
When I was going around town in Doncaster when I was younger I used to see something happen every week, like someone take a pint glass in the face.
Certain Cities seem a lot more hostile when you are out. In Newcastle I reckon you are about 80% more likely to get into a scrap than in Leeds
I also think some people just attract trouble, either by their looks or general attitude after a few drinks. Ive been on all nighters in London, Liverpool, Manchester, Chapel town in Leeds and various other places by myself and never had any trouble.
When I was going around town in Doncaster when I was younger I used to see something happen every week, like someone take a pint glass in the face.
Certain Cities seem a lot more hostile when you are out. In Newcastle I reckon you are about 80% more likely to get into a scrap than in Leeds
I also think some people just attract trouble, either by their looks or general attitude after a few drinks. Ive been on all nighters in London, Liverpool, Manchester, Chapel town in Leeds and various other places by myself and never had any trouble.
Since when?
I have been going out my whole (drinking) life in Newcastle and have not been in one single fight, off the top of my head I cannot even recall seeing one (though I probably have and been too drunk to remember it
) Of course there are the rougher areas but tell me somewhere where there is not?I have always found the more Northern cities like Newcastle, Manc, Liverpool, Leeds, Edinbrough and Glasgow much more friendly places. The further south (at least in the bigger cities) the more mardy people seem to get.
Birmingham and Nottingham were hell holes, London was not nice unless you were in certain areas and there are many others.
Of course this is just personal expereince
On topic people queue hopping does my nut and im surprised at those saying just get on with it, essentially what you are saying is that if some is belligerent enough and ready to get violent over the issue then they can do what they want and we should all accept this? Not the sort of society I was brought up in.
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Most cities I find have the city centre Sat night carnage factor. Where I live at the main taxi rank in the centre there are council employed bouncers. Such a good idea as it is well managed, and the atmosphere isn't what it used to be before.
Just a shame that it took a fatal stabbing there for the idea to materialise.
Just a shame that it took a fatal stabbing there for the idea to materialise.