What Screen for 360\PS3\Revolution\PC

0gami · 10 Jan 2006 at 11:58

Gordy one more thing mate, If say I play an old game such as doom or quake on my pc that doesn't have a widescreen patch, is there a way to set the LG to 4:3 mode and give it boarders on the left and right sides?

Reason i'm asking is that I play a lot of Doom2 online (infact its the only PC game I still play) and i'm pretty sure they wouldnt have a w\s patch for the port of doom2 I play.

Thanks again dude!

GordyR · 10 Jan 2006 at 12:08

0gami said:
Gordy one more thing mate, If say I play an old game such as doom or quake on my pc that doesn't have a widescreen patch, is there a way to set the LG to 4:3 mode and give it boarders on the left and right sides?

Reason i'm asking is that I play a lot of Doom2 online (infact its the only PC game I still play) and i'm pretty sure they wouldnt have a w\s patch for the port of doom2 I play.

Thanks again dude!

I haven't tried it with Doom 2 myself but you can definately change the screen to 4:3 mode and it gives you the borders at either side as you say so I don't think it would be a problem. In fact I it should default to doing this anyway without a widescreen patch since you are using 1:1 pixel mapping. You can of course stretch the image should you wish to fill the whole screen.

One annoyance is that the borders are by default a dark grey colour as opposed to black. But you can change this by going in to the service menu if it annoys you. I changed mine to black the first day I got the TV.

0gami · 10 Jan 2006 at 12:13

More than helpful again buddy, thanks a lot Gordy!!

Deffinately going to be getting one of these, just need to wait until the 23rd (Payday)

Anyone want to buy a 22" Mitsubishi CRT? lol

GordyR · 10 Jan 2006 at 12:14

0gami said:
More than helpful again buddy, thanks a lot Gordy!!

Deffinately going to be getting one of these, just need to wait until the 23rd (Payday)

Anyone want to buy a 22" Mitsubishi CRT? lol

No worries mate... Trust me, you're gonna fall in love with it!

LeoWyatt · 10 Jan 2006 at 16:33

One thing i've wanted to know is that from looking at the specs of lcd tvs they all use the same resolutions so therefore the a 32" LCD TV would have a worse resolution that say a 22"?

Looking to get an LCD TV when the PS3 comes out.

GordyR · 10 Jan 2006 at 16:54

LeoWyatt said:
One thing i've wanted to know is that from looking at the specs of lcd tvs they all use the same resolutions so therefore the a 32" LCD TV would have a worse resolution that say a 22"?

Looking to get an LCD TV when the PS3 comes out.

They all use the same/similar resolutions becuase they don't need to have anything higher.

High definition sources output a 1280x720 pitcure (for 720p) so the TV's don't need to be any higher than that whatever size they are. Basically if the LCD TV's had a higher resolution it would be wasted since the picture can only be as good as the source that is feeding it. In fact for an LCD TV with a higher resolution, more scaling would be required which could in fact make the picture look slightly worse.

Your choice of TV size should merely depend on how close you plan on sitting to the TV itself. a 37" TV up close would look worse than a 23" one though obviously the picture would be bigger. But for a 37" you should be sitting further away so it evens out. Hopefully that makes some sense.

LeoWyatt · 10 Jan 2006 at 17:14

yeah that makes sense, the distance away you sit kinda answers my question

it would appear pixelated if you sat the same distance away from a 22 to a 32.

I just thought that the image would be stretched on a 32" as it's the same 1280x720. Kinda like the ibooks apple do which has the 12" and the 14" sharing the same resolution. The 12" looks shaper as it's smaller.

DaveyD · 10 Jan 2006 at 17:18

LeoWyatt said:
yeah that makes sense, the distance away you sit kinda answers my question it would appear pixelated if you sat the same distance away from a 22 to a 32.

I just thought that the image would be stretched on a 32" as it's the same 1280x720. Kinda like the ibooks apple do which has the 12" and the 14" sharing the same resolution. The 12" looks shaper as it's smaller.

It's one of the reasons some people moan about 'jaggies' on project gotham, a lot of people have the VGA lead and are sitting close to their PC monitors playing the games, so they're a lot closer to the screen to notice little things like that.

LeoWyatt · 10 Jan 2006 at 17:33

they've got a 360 and a 22 in the local gamestation and it looks pretty sweet but on a 32 at that distance it would look a little naff

0gami · 25 Jan 2006 at 09:46

Well I finally got one

- Thanks again GordyR!

I can not believe how good this thing is hooked up to a PC it is as clear as my CRT Monitor, that 1:1 Pixel mapping whatever it is certainly does its job!

As for the 360 - I have it hooked up with the component cable, haven't tried the VGA Cable yet. The Fight Night Demo is like playing a different game, the light and shadows look much better and the colours are more vibrant.

All in all I am very pleased, and its a lot bigger than I thought!

Thanks again for all of your help!

TechnoCorruption · 25 Jan 2006 at 14:24

Can you post up any pics, that TV sounds sweet.

0gami · 25 Jan 2006 at 14:27

I'll try and get some posted tonight, both with VGA and Component.

GordyR · 25 Jan 2006 at 15:14

0gami said:
Well I finally got one

- Thanks again GordyR!

I can not believe how good this thing is hooked up to a PC it is as clear as my CRT Monitor, that 1:1 Pixel mapping whatever it is certainly does its job!

As for the 360 - I have it hooked up with the component cable, haven't tried the VGA Cable yet. The Fight Night Demo is like playing a different game, the light and shadows look much better and the colours are more vibrant.

All in all I am very pleased, and its a lot bigger than I thought!

Thanks again for all of your help!

I knew you wouldn't be dissapointed matey! Glad you like the screen... It's a beauty.

JaFFa · 25 Jan 2006 at 15:27

1:1 pixel mapping refers to what? That it only uses one pixel per pixel its told to use ? So wouldnt any screen running at its optimal res be using it ? And if you used it when its not at its optimal res it wouldnt scale, just produce a smaller picture ?

Is that right ?

GordyR · 25 Jan 2006 at 15:37

JaFFa said:
1:1 pixel mapping refers to what? That it only uses one pixel per pixel its told to use ? So wouldnt any screen running at its optimal res be using it ? And if you used it when its not at its optimal res it wouldnt scale, just produce a smaller picture ?

Is that right ?

You would think so yes, but it doesn't work that way.

Unfortunately a lot of LCD's don't offer true 1:1 pixel mapping, they overscan instead. Just because an LCD has a resolution of say 1280x768 and you feed it a 1280x768 signal doesn't mean you are getting true 1:1 pixel mapping. You end up with blurry text and other artifacts due to the scaling that is going on. This isn't a problem if you don't plan on viewing too much PC output on it, but if you do then going for a 1:1 pixel mapping screen will give you a far better experience.

Here is a quote from another website...

There are many display devices - LCD panels, plasmas, LCD and DLP projectors that will not 1:1 pixel map even if you feed the display it's native resolution.

Many display devices will over-scale even its native resolution in order to overscan the display borders.

To verify if you are really 1:1 mapping, you need to feed your display a 1 pixel pattern such as:

http://www.marky.com/files/homethea...g-and-phase.gif

and verify there is no noise, moire patterns, or periodic light/dark vertical bands in the tiled test pattern. Simply tile the test pattern on any Windows or Linux desktop, i.e. unscaled by the PC, then set the desktop resolution to the native res of your display at 60Hz.

One recent example that caused quite an uproar in the digital projectors forum is the Sony HS51 projector.

The LG is particularly good in this regards since it offers 1:1 pixel mapping over the DVI port and even it's HDMI port. Most other screens that do support 1:1 mapping will only achieve it through the VGA port.

0gami · 25 Jan 2006 at 20:07

Here is a picture of the actual screen itself (playing doom2

)

http://www.zen85569.zen.co.uk/DSC00431.JPG

And here are some VGA v's COMPONENT Pics!

Component, this is much darker than VGA but the colours are more vibrant, the picture is also not as sharp as VGA.

http://www.zen85569.zen.co.uk/xbox360/LCD-COMPONENT/

VGA, As you can see VGA is MUCH brighter than component but the colours do look washed, the picture is also sharper than Component.

http://www.zen85569.zen.co.uk/xbox360/LCD-VGA/

Sorry for the poor quality in the pics, taken on my camera phone.

Hope that helps!

0gami!

JaFFa · 25 Jan 2006 at 21:03

what res is doom 2 in that looks very good.

GordyR · 25 Jan 2006 at 21:13

0gami said:
VGA, As you can see VGA is MUCH brighter than component but the colours do look washed, the picture is also sharper than Component.

There is a solution to this mate. It is normal on most LCD's that when using the VGA cable the colours look more washed out. I read about a way of getting around this so that you get the same colour depth as component but with the sharpness of the VGA... I'll see if I can find it for you.

Eliot · 25 Jan 2006 at 21:14

um a) the 23 inch samsung (r) ISNT true hd ready because it has no hdmi/dvi. and i believe the lg has issues with hdcp over hdmi yet it works with the dvi or soemthing. but thats probly a firmware fix away

GordyR · 25 Jan 2006 at 21:18

Eliot said:
um a) the 23 inch samsung (r) ISNT true hd ready because it has no hdmi/dvi. and i believe the lg has issues with hdcp over hdmi yet it works with the dvi or soemthing. but thats probly a firmware fix away

The issues with HDCP over HDMI has been fixed in the latest firmware. LG will upgrade your set free of charge if you have an older one. As far as I know it wasn't actually an issue with the HDMI port itself, it was more of a compatibility issue between the HDMI port and certain DVD players.