What to do with with intel prices?

[humbug]

Unless you're getting a RTX 2080TI and game at 1080P there is no reason to go 8700K.

I suspect you're not going to be getting an RTX 2080TI or anything close to that, in which case get the Ryzen 2600, with it you will get identical performance to an 8700K on anything less than a GTX 1080TI/RTX 2080.

Seriously, with respect... if you're having to ask you're not spending £1000 on a GPU so an 8700K is a total waste of money, the Ryzen 2600 will give you exactly the same performance.

With this motherboard: £100 https://www.overclockers.co.uk/msi-b450-tomahawk-socket-am4-ddr4-atx-motherboard-mb-33t-ms.html That is an excellent motherboard, don't be sucked in by flahy RGB like on the Asus and Gigabyte boards at slightly more money, this board is better than those, better VRMs and VRM cooling.

And this memory: £170 https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team...nnel-kit-black-grey-tdpgd416g3-my-076-tg.html

Or something a bit cheaper: £129 https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team...al-channel-kit-grey-tlgd416g30-my-087-tg.html

 

[Dirk Diggler]

Seriously, with respect... if you're having to ask you're not spending £1000 on a GPU so an 8700K is a total waste of money

The only people buying 8700k are those who are buying a 2080ti? Seriously, what kind of advice is this?

Ridiculous.

 

[Destination]

The only people buying 8700k are those who are buying a 2080ti? Seriously, what kind of advice is this?

Ridiculous.

Given cost per performance and all other factors, buying anything intel with a new bunch of stuff dropping in exactly two weeks is madness, let the new stuff drop, the old stuff get discounted, or the actual completely unavailability of the whole lot show itself for what it is.

I assume intel are constricting supply, simply so when they launch the new there is absolutely loads of it, and people flock again to something with good performance.
i actually hope this isn't the case, and intel launch something awful with no supply, just to give them a slap around the chops, so the new properly designed not full of holes hardware is a complete departure and something exquisite.

 

[Dirk Diggler]

@Destination some wonderful unbiased advice there, too.

 

[Destination]

I am running an intel system.
I truly think it is complete and utter madness for anyone to drop massive amounts of cash on an 8700 or an 8086 processor now.
Wait the two weeks.

 

[Gibbo]

Given cost per performance and all other factors, buying anything intel with a new bunch of stuff dropping in exactly two weeks is madness, let the new stuff drop, the old stuff get discounted, or the actual completely unavailability of the whole lot show itself for what it is.

I assume intel are constricting supply, simply so when they launch the new there is absolutely loads of it, and people flock again to something with good performance.
i actually hope this isn't the case, and intel launch something awful with no supply, just to give them a slap around the chops, so the new properly designed not full of holes hardware is a complete departure and something exquisite.

The new stuff will also be in very tight supply just like the 8th, 7th and 6th gen have all gone very tight, all supply on Intel across all processors shall now be tight until next year and prices greatly increased.

 

[humbug]

The only people buying 8700k are those who are buying a 2080ti? Seriously, what kind of advice is this?

Ridiculous.

That's a very strange response to what i said, that being the 2600 is fast enough to drive anything under a 1080TI/2080/2080TI so getting an 8700K is a waste of money, you will get exactly the same performance with the Ryzen 2600.

Spend the money saved on something else.

 

[Destination]

The new stuff will also be in very tight supply just like the 8th, 7th and 6th gen have all gone very tight, all supply on Intel across all processors shall now be tight until next year and prices greatly increased.

I was assuming as such.
Quite amazing really, given what Intel 'should' be capable of achieving.
It is great to see competition in the market, it will drive them on, and produce better effects for the future.

 

[Dirk Diggler]

That's a very strange response to what i said, that being the 2600 is fast enough to drive anything under a 1080TI/2080/2080TI so getting an 8700K is a waste of money, you will get exactly the same performance with the Ryzen 2600.

Spend the money saved on something else.

It's not a strange response at all. You're telling the guy that an 8700k should only be paired with a 2080ti, a GPU that didn't even exist a few weeks ago. It's terrible advice.

Unless you're getting a RTX 2080TI and game at 1080P there is no reason to go 8700K.

 

[humbug]

That's a very strange response to what i said, that being the 2600 is fast enough to drive anything under a 1080TI/2080/2080TI so getting an 8700K is a waste of money, you will get exactly the same performance with the Ryzen 2600.

Spend the money saved on something else.

in fact here... 8700K As Jay explained with Asus core enhancement enabled (all core 4.7Ghz) vs 2700X (all core boost ~4.1Ghz) RTX 2080.

Most of these there is little difference in performance, the one game where there is, Metro LL, a step down to a 1080 or run at 1440P and the difference is nothing again.
A Ryzen 2600 at the same clocks is no slower, games don't use more than 12 threads, they rarely use that many.

So again, why would you spend £250 more on a CPU if you get the same performance from the Ryzen 2600? You explain that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7t0kA5VJ7o

 

[opethdisciple]

Your best option is to go AMD.

 

[Dirk Diggler]

@humbug there are instances when the 8700k will show a benefit, there are instances where no benefit will be had. I'm not disputing that. The point I am making, is that you have stated that an 8700k should only be paired with one specific GPU, and that's just not the case.

The model of GPU is pretty much irrelevant. Even a 1060 is capable of driving some titles at 1080p 75fps+

 

[humbug]

@humbug there are instances when the 8700k will show a benefit, there are instances where no benefit will be had. I'm not disputing that. The point I am making, is that you have stated that an 8700k should only be paired with one specific GPU, and that's just not the case.

The model of GPU is pretty much irrelevant. Even a 1060 is capable of driving some titles at 1080p 75fps+

No i didn't, you're twisting what i actually said.

Unless you're getting a RTX 2080TI and game at 1080P there is no reason to go 8700K.

You're not gaining any performance if your GPU is a 1080 or in most instances even a 1080TI or a RTX 2080, so spend the £250 you save by getting a Ryzen 2600 on getting a better GPU, you can get a GTX 1060 and a Ryzen 2600 for the price of an 8700K alone, my understanding is the OP has a GTX 770? good grief get the 2600 and the GTX 1060.

Don't you agree?

 

[Distracted]

I see improvements at 1080p with a gtx1080ti and 8700k that i wouldn't get with ryzen.

If i wasnt trying to push 240hz i would have bought ryzen long ago. Superb value.

 

[DarrenM343]

Looking up gaming benchmarks from the 2700X and the 8700K with a 1080(which is the card I’m getting in my upgrade).. the only difference I am seeing is 10 and occasionally 15 fps...

I’m not starting a debate but rather genuinely asking.. In regards to gaming is this what intels defence is? 10-15 fps?

The key is the resolution.At 1440P and above the case for having the best gaming CPU lessens.
I've run various comparisons now using 1070 Ti, TXP and now a 2080, comparing each in a 6700K and a 1950X system where of course the Threadripper CPU is not supposed to be a gaming CPU, but I only see a few FPS difference reach time at 1440P.
In the Forza 4 benchmark thread I've posted the results of a 2080 in both systems and interestingly my 6700K system with just a stock 2080(no OC applied) has peformed quite well compared to 8700K, but it's still only 2.3 FPS faster than the 1950X.
Personally I think buy the CPU that fits your all round use and in gaming at 1440P or above you're really not going to notice a difference anyway. IMO, the 2700X is a really good buy,, especially when 8700K's seem to now be £450 or so. 2 extra cores for a start!

IMO a >50% premium now for the 8700K over the 2700X really makes the AMD part a bit of a no brainer especially 1440P and above.

 

[3lackMamba]

So.. Did the build guys, what do you's think? And who do you's think I went with, AMD or Intel? I know it's kinda obvious but meh, I'm so bloody delighted!

 

[humbug]

Looks fantastic, the blue is a cold colourt, what does it look like in red? or can you do orange?

 

[subbytna]

Looks good. What was your end spec?

 

[3lackMamba]

It's not as blue IRL, its more of a pastel purple. I had actually planned to do an all white/black build but when I saw this purple against the white and black, I fell in love

So I wen't with the 2700X, Asus x470 Pro, 16GB 3200 Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro, Kraken x62 and just some visual peripherals after all that. Already had an SSD and HDD.

Coming from a Corsair 650D this NZXT H500 was TINY, so it took me literally hours to manage cables.. Next on my agenda is to get a fully modular PSU and a full braided cable set instead of the extensions.. Way too much wiring for a case like this..

But yeah, super happy

 

[MartinPrince]

So.. Did the build guys, what do you's think? And who do you's think I went with, AMD or Intel? I know it's kinda obvious but meh, I'm so bloody delighted!

You did very well indeed to fit that all in that case so neatly! I like the look of the EVGA 1080's - much nicer than what they've done with the 2080's.