What was there before the BIG BANG?

Theres nothing to dispell that a god couldnt have made the earth, or the other billion planets, suns and galaxies. They should keep the gold.


Im sorry but i got nothing against the church, i know they do a lot of good, but in previous centuries it did a lot of bad.

And the truth is they changed their mind about our creation more times than.. god knows.

First the earth was center of everything - then copernicus proved them wrong. they changed there mind, but everything floats around the earth.

then gallileo spotted something orbiting jupiter, so everything doesnt orbit earth. the church threw him in jail.

then low and behol, they changed there mind!


I mean come on guys, lets get real.... the sad truth is some people are either afraid of dying, or they simply need to believe in something, but i wish for once they caould take their blinkers off, just for a day or so.
 
Im sorry but i got nothing against the church, i know they do a lot of good, but in previous centuries it did a lot of bad.

And the truth is they changed their mind about our creation more times than.. god knows.

So has just about everyone, including science. Does the church have to ascribe to a singular interpretation of its doctrine, can it not alter its interpretation as anyone else does?

"The Literal Interpretation of Genesis" (early fifth century, AD), St. Augustine wrote:

"It not infrequently happens that something about the earth, about the sky, about other elements of this world, about the motion and rotation or even the magnitude and distances of the stars, about definite eclipses of the sun and moon, about the passage of years and seasons, about the nature of animals, of fruits, of stones, and of other such things, may be known with the greatest certainty by reasoning or by experience, even by one who is not a Christian. It is too disgraceful and ruinous, though, and greatly to be avoided, that he [the non-Christian] should hear a Christian speaking so idiotically on these matters, and as if in accord with Christian writings, that he might say that he could scarcely keep from laughing when he saw how totally in error they are. In view of this and in keeping it in mind constantly while dealing with the book of Genesis, I have, insofar as I was able, explained in detail and set forth for consideration the meanings of obscure passages, taking care not to affirm rashly some one meaning to the prejudice of another and perhaps better explanation."

"With the scriptures it is a matter of treating about the faith. For that reason, as I have noted repeatedly, if anyone, not understanding the mode of divine eloquence, should find something about these matters [about the physical universe] in our books, or hear of the same from those books, of such a kind that it seems to be at variance with the perceptions of his own rational faculties, let him believe that these other things are in no way necessary to the admonitions or accounts or predictions of the scriptures. In short, it must be said that our authors knew the truth about the nature of the skies, but it was not the intention of the Spirit of God, who spoke through them, to teach men anything that would not be of use to them for their salvation."


First the earth was center of everything - then copernicus proved them wrong. they changed there mind, but everything floats around the earth.

then gallileo spotted something orbiting jupiter, so everything doesnt orbit earth. the church threw him in jail.

then low and behol, they changed there mind!

As St Augustine says above, "With the scriptures it is a matter of treating about the faith", that doesn't mean religion is blind to discovery, it is up to the church to accept that their faith allows for change and reinterpretation of the scripture with new discovery.
 
I dont think anyone gets it. The universe is all that there is, there is no end of the universe, there is no beginning. The universe is all that has been. It didnt expand into nothing because that nothing was the universe.

If your asking what was before the big bang then your asking a question which will keeep going on and on. If there was an answer, then people would then ask what was before that.

The universe had a birth and will have a death and then it will be reborn (not a concious thing) Thats the way everything goes, the circle of life. The universe isnt a straight line, its a circle just like everything else so there cannot be an end.
 
What i've always wondered, and i shouldn't.... is not what was there, but what created what was there. at some point there had to be nothing, how can something come from nothing? Technically nothing should exist becuase you can't get something from absolutely nothing. Evern if there was a black hole before the big bang, how did the black hole get there? and what made what made the black hole?

It's a never ending unanswerable question that you could only throw a million theorys at. It's madening thinking about it.

It's not a total explanation, but a way to soften the load on ones brain when thinking about this is to remind yourself not to think in linear terms. "Time" most likely doesn't exist outside the physical universe. "Before" the big bang there was no flow of time, so actually you don't need to take into account factors like "what was before", or "what came after". Basically in a situation where no physical law exists there is no before, present or after.
 
Nothing to add to this thread other than the sad news that I read it as "BIG WANG" and clicked on it.

I think I need some time now to reflect.
 
When I was younger I used to lie in my bed and see myself from above, the view used to then shoot up and keep moving up until I could barely be seen.

Everything is so much bigger than us dude, there is so much we dont understand, and an awful lot the human race will probably never understand.

I try not to think too much about it as it blows my mind, but I find that if I ever have any problems in life, I just reconsider how tiny and insignificant I am, and it makes everything feel less important :)
 
Just thinking if energy is neither created nor destroyed could conciousness be part of the same. Because we have never been able to create conciousness such as AI and therefore can our concious beings or (sole, intelligent thought, whatever) not be destroyed merely transferred? Or maybe diffused into other conciousness such as into others, so there is a bit of others in everyone?
 
Just thinking if energy is neither created nor destroyed could conciousness be part of the same. Because we have never been able to create conciousness such as AI and therefore can our concious beings or (sole, intelligent thought, whatever) not be destroyed merely transferred? Or maybe diffused into other conciousness such as into others, so there is a bit of others in everyone?

Break out the bongs and spliffs on that one. :D
 
You're asking a question that the most sophisticated astronomers, scientists, physicisists and quantum scientists don't even know.

We hardly even know what the universe is, let alone how it works. For all we know, there could be more than one universe. For all we know, earth could be an electron flowing around the sun (nucleus) which is next to thousands of other atoms and clusters of atoms (other systems & galaxy's) and the universe could be a material, which is being used on a military ship in the sea of another planet, in another universe, which is just an atom of another material used in the silicon chip of a microprocessor.

See... We know nothing.
 
This calls for a Bill Hicks quote;

“Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Here’s Tom with the weather.”
 
lol,the universe created itself,so why did it take god 4.55 billion years to have a son called jesus..:confused::confused:

Well from a believer point of view, Its called "Patience", God wants to teach the Humans / None Humans a lesson in "Be Patient". Even God with his infinite power took him (6 days) - (a day in God's time is not equal to our day) to create everything from nothing.

Anyway, what a believer knows on this subject:
The universe/s are created from "nothing".
1) There are 7 Universes
2) 5 universes can support life and contains planets for human / none human to live in, and 2 universes are dead.
3) The first Universe is what we call "The lower sky" is where earth is located and everything you see in our universe is the lower sky.
4) The universe is expanding until it reaches to a point where the opposite will happen "is to shrink back to the first point it was created from originally".

There are more information on this subject. But I think at this moment no one cares about them because its not possible to prove / disprove this information.
 
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Well from a believer point of view, Its called "Patience", God wants to teach the Humans / None Humans a lesson in "Be Patient". Even God with his infinite power took him (6 days) - (a day in God's time is not equal to our day) to create everything from nothing.

Anyway, what a believer knows on this subject:
The universe/s are created from "nothing".
1) There are 7 Universes
2) 5 universes can support life and contains planets for human / none human to live in, and 2 universes are dead.
3) The first Universe is what we call "The lower sky" is where earth is located and everything you see in our universe is the lower sky.
4) The universe is expanding until it reaches to a point where the opposite will happen "is to shrink back to the first point it was created from originally".

There are more information on this subject. But I think at this moment no one cares about them because its not possible to prove / disprove this information.

I'm interested....got a link?
 
Well from a believer point of view, Its called "Patience", God wants to teach the Humans / None Humans a lesson in "Be Patient". Even God with his infinite power took him (6 days) - (a day in God's time is not equal to our day) to create everything from nothing.

Anyway, what a believer knows on this subject:
The universe/s are created from "nothing".
1) There are 7 Universes
2) 5 universes can support life and contains planets for human / none human to live in, and 2 universes are dead.
3) The first Universe is what we call "The lower sky" is where earth is located and everything you see in our universe is the lower sky.
4) The universe is expanding until it reaches to a point where the opposite will happen "is to shrink back to the first point it was created from originally".

There are more information on this subject. But I think at this moment no one cares about them because its not possible to prove / disprove this information.
Not quite true.
He spent 5 days making the Earth and all the things in / on it.
ONE DAY FOR THE REST OF THE UNIVERSE.
And then bunked off the Sabbath.
 
I'm interested....got a link?

Unfortunately no, but those information you can gather when you carry a heavy research into the verses of the holy books. Also there are "legit" people on youtube who explains this in details and or in simple illustration.

"Legit" = Highly educated authentic people with university certification on the subject they are talking about. and Not some dudes with a long beard pretend to be a scientist in religion.
 
Unfortunately no, but those information you can gather when you carry a heavy research into the verses of the holy books. Also there are "legit" people on youtube who explains this in details and or in simple illustration.

"Legit" = Highly educated authentic people with university certification on the subject they are talking about. and Not some dudes with a long beard pretend to be a scientist in religion.

I have a rather extensive knowledge of several of the 'holy books' including the Qu'ran, I have not seen that particular scripture in them.

Can you reference each bullet point for me with the relevant passage, is that possible?
 
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