Soldato
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Very informative - thank you!Snip
Very informative - thank you!Snip
Well, I realise that it's not nice to hear, but I have seen and experienced it and know many others that have. Hell, I used to randomly get called a posh twit or a wonker when walking in the Birmingham surrounding areas when just wearing a suit and shoes. The UK has a unique brand of anti-success fuelled for years by declining living standards and tabloid rags like the Daily Mail/Sun etc that fuel resentment by obsessing about people's wealth, assets and whatever it perceives as excess. It's become a cultural tick.Not sure about the jealous, petty etc. I think there is a bit of looking down the nose at people with osentatious taste and brands. Nothing against Rolex but it is the brand that people who know sod all about watches notice and perhaps some unfairly think owners wear that brand in order to be noticed. My JLC would rarely be noticed or ruffle any feathers.
I would argue that it makes far less sense to go out and get bladdered 3x a week like many people do, than it does to buy a Rolex that actually retains value and often even appreciates over time. They are an investment, though of course with a steep initial outlay.It’s half a jealousy and half a modesty thing.
The ‘hate’ is sort of a self fulfilling prophecy. Whenever I see someone wearing these watches, I find myself making the rebuttable presumption that the wearer has ‘more money than sense’. I’d also refrain from wearing one because I’d be too conscious of people making the same presumption. So... that sort of makes me a hater and a wimp? Or people that wear them do have more money than sense? Or nobody really cares.
Really, all that matters is how fun it is to wear (however you wish to measure ‘fun’). Hard pass from me though. I do spend money on other premium products (that I perceive to have more practical value) so I’m not shy of a ‘ridiculous splurge’ from time to time.
This is also I have learned, at least in my experience, very much a UK thing. I have lived in various places in Europe and traveled in most developed continents and it is only in the UK where I have seen such fierce resentment of people who have nice things. it's like we have built a culture where people are embarrassed to wear any outward sign of wealth for fear that they will be labelled a showoff, posh tw*t or other general resentful abuse.
Doesn't happen (generally speaking, I mean) in Germany, doesn't happen in France, doesn't happen in Switzerland, doesn't happen in most of Eastern Europe... people generally just shrug their shoulders, accept that some people have things that they don't have and get on with life without a second thought.
Having lived outside it for long enough I find that with regards to outward signs of wealth (and I don't even mean particularly ostentateous outward signs) the UK is a comparatively petty, jealous and somewhat unhealthy culture versus our EU brethren.
I find myself making the rebuttable presumption that the wearer has ‘more money than sense’. I’d also refrain from wearing one because I’d be too conscious of people making the same presumption. So... that sort of makes me a hater and a wimp? Or people that wear them do have more money than sense? Or nobody really cares.
It's always a concern, given you often have no idea of the service history. I'd personally be very wary of big name brands on eBay, not just because of the always-present service history issue, but mainly due to frankens/fakes/botches/crap, and would rather put my money with trusted dealers of vintage stuff.
You do have to be careful on eBay as @hughtrimble mentioned. However, on the flip side, you can get some good deals on there. Just make sure you do your homework/research before hand. You have to check the dial hasn't been redone/is in good condition and the crown, hands are case are correct for the reference. Chances are crystal will have been changed but its worth checking if it is original. Also try and get a picture of the movement and give that a visual check to make sure it is the correct one for the reference and to make sure there isn't any water damage in there. The servicing of most watches can be done by a competent watch maker so long as the watch was a fairly good quality one when it was made. 60s Timex watches for example are going to be much harder to service than a 50s Omega.
Here are 3 watches I got from eBay over the last year which came back from the watch maker last weekend after being serviced.
As a rule of thumb I assume all vintage watches I purchase are going to need a service straight away and I factor that into the cost of purchase. For reference I would say the general cost of a service is the following:
Parts can be expensive but this depends on the watch. You can get an idea of the cost of parts for any given watch movement by looking the movement up on cousinsuk. This will also give you an idea of parts availability as well as they are the main supplier of parts to watchmakers in the UK (along with the actual watch companies themselves).
- Manual Wind - Time only: £80-£120 + Parts + Time Fitting Parts
- Automatic - Time/Date: £120-£160 + Parts + Time Fitting Parts
- Manual Wind - Chronograph: £160-£200 + Parts + Time Fitting Parts
- Automatic Chronograph: £200-£300 + Parts + Time Fitting Parts
As a little test, can you spot what is wrong with my vintage Omega Seamaster?
I've got two; an Omega '53 Thin Arrow and a Longines 5Star Admiral caliber 6651 from '74. The Omega is very rarely worn but I wear the Longines as my dress watch and most of the week for work. Last had the Longines serviced about 7 years ago and it's been faultless since.
If you wear a watch on the opposite hand to your mouse-hand it shouldn't really be a problem. At least it isn't for me!Since we're all computer nerds here (ahem), does nobody have the problem where wearing a watch means constant scraping against your keyboard and/or mouse all day? That's why I don't wear one.
I still find it scrapes on the desk by the keyboard. Maybe I have fat wrists.If you wear a watch on the opposite hand to your mouse-hand it shouldn't really be a problem. At least it isn't for me!
Not much you can do about that I'm afraid other than check that you are using your keyboard in a good position. Your wrists should not be laying flat on the desk.I still find it scrapes on the desk by the keyboard. Maybe I have fat wrists.