Correct, but I have no idea how much of it is EU activity. Considering JPMorgan Chase are talking about moving 4,000/16,000 jobs, let's say a quarter of activity will move to the EU. That's still a huge loss.
What were the advantages in being in the EU?
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Correct, but I have no idea how much of it is EU activity. Considering JPMorgan Chase are talking about moving 4,000/16,000 jobs, let's say a quarter of activity will move to the EU. That's still a huge loss.
That pre-supposes each individual contributes an equal share to activity. I'm not sure how one can assume that.
but it isn't necessarily a binary choice between total freedom of movement and your scenario of only being able to emigrate to EU countries if you can prove a local worker can't do the job etc..
the scenario you've outlines is the total opposite of what the EU want and pretty much against what the other side in the leave camp want too - they're simply pushing for a points based system... a compromise could involve caps/quotas
I just don't see why you think this will end up with a result completely counter to the EU's wishes and more extreme than anyone on the leave side is proposing - it makes no sense at all
the scenario you've outlines is the total opposite of what the EU want and pretty much against what the other side in the leave camp want too - they're simply pushing for a points based system... a compromise could involve caps/quotas
I just don't see why you think this will end up with a result completely counter to the EU's wishes and more extreme than anyone on the leave side is proposing - it makes no sense at all
You'll need to pay for a Visa to have free movement in the Schengen area for 90 days or so, similar to how Non-EU citizens do currently. Hardly makes them worthless as you've still got the rest of the world to travel.
They pay my wage 
Aside from me what about the larger economy
http://www.scotlandineurope.eu/european_investment_bank
http://www.scotlandineurope.eu/benefits_of_the_eu
http://www.scotlandineurope.eu/fish
Aside from me what about the larger economy
http://www.scotlandineurope.eu/european_investment_bank
http://www.scotlandineurope.eu/benefits_of_the_eu
http://www.scotlandineurope.eu/fish
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and most people don't take 90 day holidays(those that do - Gap yah etc.., tend to go further away to Asia and south America... interrailing through Europe can be done in less time than 90 days)... and we don't actually know what deal/compromise will be made re: freedom of movement - given that the EU is pro freedom of movement then.... well none of this is likely to affect travelers and I'd wager that as far as work is concerned then so long as you're not an unskilled migrant it probably won't be much of a drama either.
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You seem to be very opinionated. I don't know what you do, what your job is, or how your opinions are founded, but they just come across like "well we're good at X, so we'll always be good at X". 'Confident' is not a word someone can use without significant research and information.
The more I read about Brexit, both in the press, social media and places like this the more furious and irate I become. The only reassurance Leave voters seem to be giving is incredibly vague, something along the lines of "it'll be fine, because we're great and important and we'll get everything we had back". If the best we can do now is get what we had back then wherein lies the victory? There's no way we'll get half of what we had back without sacrificing all the corner stones of the Leave campaign, including immigration and free movement, which have already been backtracked on by Leave.
And then there's the absolutely ridiculous people posting photos from WWI and WWII along with slogans such as "The young blame the old for not saving Europe do they?". They obviously completely fail to recognise that the EU was founded to prevent such atrocities from ever occurring again in Europe, a goal which has been entirely successful within the EU. I dread to think how those who sacrificed their lives to help us and our European neighbours would feel knowing that we're now turning our back.
It just seems like a protest vote and a vote of hate. Hate of foreigners, hate of anyone who's not 'British', hate of politics, politicians and experts. But without foundation. I mean how far do you go with segregation? Leave the EU? Dissolve the UK? Independent cities? The end of the line is rival clans as if it was Roman times. Surely anybody who isn't just full of hate can see that humankind are better together, whether that's working within your local community or as a global unit like the G20. To go backwards is, well, just backwards.
The thing strikes me is the complete lack of appreciation and trust in others. Yes politicians aren't always honest, but I would challenge anyone to be as such in a high stress role. The funny thing is that, from my experience, those at the other end of the spectrum - your working class, skilled labourers - make politicians look like saints. I don't know a single tradesman who hasn't asked to be paid in cash for their work to avoid tax and knocks off early. Yet they'll be the first to complain about tax dodging or non-transparency.
Aside from stupid decisions like the MP expenses scandal, which let's not be silly we've all done in one extreme or another, they're not in their position to watch the world burn. The same goes for anybody you would deem an academic or expert. This is why the ignorance towards the list of Remain supports just flabbergasts me. I didn't have time to read a stack of documents relating to the pros and cons of EU membership, but I trusted that those in the fields of finance, society and politics already knew and did. I mean just look at the list that did the rounds on social media:
• Governor of the Bank of England
• International Monetary Fund
• Institute for Fiscal Studies
• Confederation of British Industry
• Leaders/heads of state of every single other member of the EU
• President of the United States of America
• Eight former US Treasury Secretaries
• President of China
• Prime Minister of India
• Prime Minister of Canada
• Prime Minister of Australia
• Prime Minister of Japan
• Prime Minister of New Zealand
• The chief executives of most of the top 100 companies in the UK including Marks and Spencer, BT, Asda, Vodafone, Virgin, IBM, BMW etc.
• Kofi Annan, the former Secretary General of the United Nations
• All living former Prime Ministers of the UK (from both parties)
• Virtually all reputable and recognised economists
• The Prime Minister of the UK
• The Leader of the Labour Party
• The Leader of the Liberal Democrats
• The Leader of the Green Party
• The Leader of the Scottish National Party
• The Leader of Plaid Cymru
• The Leader of Sinn Fein
• The Secretary General of the TUC
• Unison
• National Union of Students
• National Union of Farmers
• Stephen Hawking
• Chief Executive of the NHS
• 300 of the most prominent international historians
• Director of Europol
• David Anderson QC, Independent Reviewer of Terrorism Legislation
• Former Directors of GCHQ
• Secretary General of Nato
• Church of England
• Church in Scotland
• Church in Wales
• Friends of the Earth
• Greenpeace
• Director General of the World Trade Organisation
• WWF
• World Bank
• OECD
I really, really hope this was a "good" decision, because we're in it now. But for the life of me I can't possibly or feasibly see how it is, given the best we can get back is all we had in the first place minus the trust and alliance of our closest neighbours.
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The EU is simply one aspect of the UK's voice in the World. It is primarily a trading organisation which has become broken and out of date.
Yes *some* financial services may re-locate but is that the end of the World?
We have just taken back border control.
We have regained billions of pounds in membership
We are out of a bureaucracy that is failing. The people who are somewhat suffering are the people working in the finance industry, which is based in London. The rest of the UK(including 38% of Scotland) wanted out, and that should be respected.
We are in NATO, the UN the G7... we have clout(remember they didn't want us in the single market for years).
The money will now be shared, is that fair? I say it is.
There is already talk of big corporations paying more tax to support youth apprenticeships, this is what I, personally voted for. Our kids getting jobs and being able to prosper in their country, first and foremost.
I am somewhat nervous but hopeful, the key being hopeful.
Sick of the EU telling me what I can do, and what they plan to do, just such a relief, and I predict that organisation will fall apart in a couple of years.
Just wondering, what legislation that the EU set, that affects you on a regular basis, are you sick of?
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Do you wake up in the morning and go "god dammit, those suits in brussels, why can't I have flammable pillow cases?"
I have never gone through my daily living and go...damn those EU regs. But instead, I like the EU regs, like 14 days to return something I bought online, instead of 7 under SOGA.
I like the EU regs, like 14 days to return something I bought online, instead of 7 under SOGA.
That just about sum's it up. Me Me Me Me Me Me Me me me me me me.
We are now part of Germany without losing a drop of blood - 5 generations of namby pambies.
If we lose the ability and position as the financial center, then we lose around 10% of our GDP and the jobs, businesses and opportunities that come with it. I'd say that's pretty significant. And it's not just financial services that are threatening to relocate - plenty of other companies have stated that they are either looking to move or are halting expansion in the UK.
We've done neither of those things though. If we leave, we are more likely than ever at this point to sign up to a deal involving free movement of people and will still have to pay into the pot, get nothing back and get told what to do!
There is also talk of just as many if not more corporations leaving the UK, EU funding being pulled from academia, research and infrastructure projects, regeneration projects being canned and things getting more expensive. How does that give us and our children 'more opportunity'?
I don't really get how you can be 'hopeful' given that there is no strategy and no end game that really seems to give us anything equal to or better than what we had before? There is just no logic to blind faith!
Like what?! Does the EU ring you every morning like: "davewhite04, sorry, you can't eat lettuce for 48 hours and you need to spend 10 minutes of your day praying to Brussels' What exactly are you relieved about? I don't really get this at all. Anything the EU 'told us to do' is something we either agreed to or instigated ourselves anyway!
I'm also being hopeful. Hopeful that someone will come to their senses and realise that the best deal is the one we already have. And then reign in our tabloids and ethically and morally void politicians and journalists, sort out the morons that think it acceptable to be openly racist and put us back on the right track and rebuild our broken relationship with the rest of the world.
I reckon that's a similar enough 'pie in the sky' deal to hoping that we get something better out of this mess!
Nope, and nope. Any trade deal with the EU that won't leave us in financial turmoil will involve freedom of movement, so we still won't have border control, and likely we'll still have to pay into the EU, without rebates this time and no say in anything.
What? What exactly does the EU not allow you to do? When I look at my daily and working life, I can see only benefits.
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The EU was so advantageous that during months of campaigning remain backers choose a campaign of fear over everything else.
I think that tells you all you need to know about how little we really get from the EU
I think that tells you all you need to know about how little we really get from the EU
how about we start with our broken country first? This world view really doesn't work when a large portion of the population are dissatisfied with the way the country is being run.
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The major ones (there are more):
The enormous benefit of the freedom to live and work anywhere in the EU without needing a visa. What a fantastic broadening of our horizons!
A big increase in British influence around the world, and especially the EU
Increased ability to work with other countries to solve the big problems facing our country and the world.
Enormous economic benefits from being part of the single market.
Working together with other EU countries to keep working conditions high, and avoid damaging races to the bottom as countries compete instead of co-operate.
The enormous benefit of the freedom to live and work anywhere in the EU without needing a visa. What a fantastic broadening of our horizons!
A big increase in British influence around the world, and especially the EU
Increased ability to work with other countries to solve the big problems facing our country and the world.
Enormous economic benefits from being part of the single market.
Working together with other EU countries to keep working conditions high, and avoid damaging races to the bottom as countries compete instead of co-operate.
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I like the EU regs, like 14 days to return something I bought online, instead of 7 under SOGA.
That just about sum's it up. Me Me Me Me Me Me Me me me me me me.
We are now part of Germany without losing a drop of blood - 5 generations of namby pambies.
It's not WW2, it's not me me me, it's WE as in us and Germany and the rest. The point is to illustrate people do not understand there are good EU regs, but trust you to twist it around.
Which is what the issue was in the first place. Absolutely sod all to do with Europe.