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whats the best cpu on a budget?
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Benchmarks are lot different to real world tasks. Would we really notice a tiny % over one thing and another?
i3 looks like a great CPU but i am going to stick to the Athlon Quad for now as i really don't think i would 'see' any difference in real world computing between it and the i3 etc.
i3 looks like a great CPU but i am going to stick to the Athlon Quad for now as i really don't think i would 'see' any difference in real world computing between it and the i3 etc.
Just pointing out the facts & of course you don't like facts if they are not in your favour.
So instead of accusing me of trolling care to explain how I'm wrong & then i explain why I'm right.
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Not so clued up on the low end, but if a dual core manages to crunch more than a Quad even when the Quad is utilised properly, its a no brainer? For e.g Its like getting a car with an old 6 cylinder 150bhp engine and comparing it to a new 4 cylinder engine with 200bhp and better torque/fuel efficiency etc.. and calling the older engine 'better'
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I have been impressed with the i3 2100 in our office, but it's only really a little bit noticeably faster in office use than the Phenom II 955 BE.
At the end of the day, if you're going to buy a new motherboard then maybe you could go the 1155 socket route with an i3 2100 and maybe upgrade in future to a quad core when or if you feel you need it in the lifetime of the PC; however, be aware that you may not be able to install an Ivy Bridge based processor in the same motherboard.
This is where the AM3+ socket starts to look really nice. You can buy the 955 now and upgrade in the future to Bulldozer, but that's as far as you can go, as then AMD are changing platform too. However, you do have that potential (entirely depends on the performance of Bulldozer cores) to match the Sandy Bridge platform in the future.
To clarify why a quad core may be better choice than the i3, in the future. Games, and to a lesser extent, applications, are moving over to a more multi core dependent model offloading things like audio and physics processing into their own threads which the OS can then dynamically assign to the available cores.
As seen in the benchmarks, highly multi threaded applications work better on the 955 compared to the i3 2100, even though the latter has multi threading, so if you think that you will be taking advantage of this in the future then go the AMD route, otherwise go with the more responsive i3 2100 and a UEFI motherboard, as UEFI booting is one of the great things about the new platforms.
At the end of the day, if you're going to buy a new motherboard then maybe you could go the 1155 socket route with an i3 2100 and maybe upgrade in future to a quad core when or if you feel you need it in the lifetime of the PC; however, be aware that you may not be able to install an Ivy Bridge based processor in the same motherboard.
This is where the AM3+ socket starts to look really nice. You can buy the 955 now and upgrade in the future to Bulldozer, but that's as far as you can go, as then AMD are changing platform too. However, you do have that potential (entirely depends on the performance of Bulldozer cores) to match the Sandy Bridge platform in the future.
To clarify why a quad core may be better choice than the i3, in the future. Games, and to a lesser extent, applications, are moving over to a more multi core dependent model offloading things like audio and physics processing into their own threads which the OS can then dynamically assign to the available cores.
As seen in the benchmarks, highly multi threaded applications work better on the 955 compared to the i3 2100, even though the latter has multi threading, so if you think that you will be taking advantage of this in the future then go the AMD route, otherwise go with the more responsive i3 2100 and a UEFI motherboard, as UEFI booting is one of the great things about the new platforms.
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posted in wrong thread, I like the dual core idea currently, hope it has life left in it!
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Personally I would go for this :
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=BU-063-OE&groupid=43&catid=2053&subcat=2063
But it depends on your budget.
There is meant to be a a new Sandybridge i3 coming out which is unlocked - I'm not sure on the release date though which would be good.
Personally I would go for this :
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=BU-063-OE&groupid=43&catid=2053&subcat=2063
But it depends on your budget.
There is meant to be a a new Sandybridge i3 coming out which is unlocked - I'm not sure on the release date though which would be good.
Budget
One budget option not mentioned is buying a nice am3+ motherboard ready for bulldozer and just going with a £25 Sempron chip to tied you over for a few months. Performance would not be amazing but it would probably unlock to dual core and would game ok with a decent gfx card and you don't waste too much money - if it unlocks you could probably sell it at a profit as its a proven unlock.
Here's a Sempron 140 running COD in a crossfire setup to show you an example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAzEWHFcV-s
Obviously going with this you are taking a risk that bulldozer will deliver.
One budget option not mentioned is buying a nice am3+ motherboard ready for bulldozer and just going with a £25 Sempron chip to tied you over for a few months. Performance would not be amazing but it would probably unlock to dual core and would game ok with a decent gfx card and you don't waste too much money - if it unlocks you could probably sell it at a profit as its a proven unlock.
Here's a Sempron 140 running COD in a crossfire setup to show you an example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAzEWHFcV-s
Obviously going with this you are taking a risk that bulldozer will deliver.
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Honestly? Id just tell him to wait for bulldozer to see if Intel/amd drop prices, or save up for an i5 2500k. Itll do him a lot better in the long run.
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Yes Bolo your probably right but I'm in the same situation I want to upgrade as I have the cash saved and its incredibly frustrating with delay upon delay to BD.
Even now we don't have a solid release date with some saying September and others October.
Yes Bolo your probably right but I'm in the same situation I want to upgrade as I have the cash saved and its incredibly frustrating with delay upon delay to BD.
Even now we don't have a solid release date with some saying September and others October.
Is it an official statement or a "leak" - just like all the other "leaks" with other CPUs and GPUS??
Funnily enough the slides don't mention the H67,P67 or Z68.The slides mention that the Q65,Q67 and B65 chipset will not work with Ivy Bridge but the only noise has been about the Z68 being compatible.
At the bottom of each slide:
"All dates and plans are subject to change without notice"
This slide makes no mention of 6 series chipsets and is newer:
http://semiaccurate.com/2011/03/28/latest-intel-roadmap-confirms-pci-express-3-0-for-ivy-bridge/
Where is the official Intel statement especially concerning the compatibility for all the six series chipsets?? Until that is released in a statement it is all fud. Both Intel and AMD are guilty of this. Again lets go back to socket 775 and socket AM3.
GUTTED for you
http://www.gigabyte.us/press-center/news-page.aspx?nid=1048
a big LOL at you.
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the i3 2100 beats the phenom 2 x6 black edition on most benches, and even in gaming.
obviously it falls behind a little in multi threaded applications, but y'know. just sayin
The only way an 13-2100 can beat a Phenom II X6 is in situations where 2-3 (or less) threads can only be utilized, in which case you may aswell be comparing it to a Phenom II X3 720 or X2 555, because the results will be the same.
Saying the i3 beats the X6 in "most benches" means nothing, whatsoever, when most of those tests have four of the X6's cores/threads pretty much unused.
Much rather have an OCed Phenom II X4 than the i3-2100.
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I wouldnt,
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/289?vs=88
Less power used too, and Ivy bridge support on all chipsets
You've obviously never played Bad Company 2 on a dual core and then a quad core, stop giving bad advice man. Dude just get the quad core, don't listen to wannabedamned.
I wouldnt,
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/289?vs=88
Less power used too, and Ivy bridge support on all chipsets
That benchmark doesn't show BC2 which makes use of 4 cores.
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http://techreport.com/articles.x/20873/2
i3 2100 on par with Phenom II 980BE at 3.7GHz in BFBC2. In games that don't use all 4 cores, the Phenom II 980BE at 3.7GHz falls behind the i3 2100.
Someone mentioned some Phenom II X4 Phenom II X4 will clock to 4.0GHz and a bit more, but not ALL chip would clock to that high, and also I still wouldn't prefer the overclocked Phenom II X4 with it being TWICE the power consumption of i3 2100 under load, giving off much more heat, and the most important of all...crippled performance in games that don't use all 4 cores (i.e. half the performance in 2 cores games), in contrast to the i3 2100 which will deliver full performance in 2 cores, 3 cores, or 4 cores games.
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Ironically its you giving trash advice.
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I wouldnt,
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/289?vs=88
Less power used too, and Ivy bridge support on all chipsets
An overclocked 955 would certainly match an i3-2100 (which won't overclock past a few 100mhz) in gaming and be a good margin ahead in encoding etc. When games start properly utilizing four threads then the 955 will be ahead aswell, even at stock.
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