What's your Views on this new roundabout
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As a cyclist I'd be getting off and using the pedestrian crossing.
Been cycling roads in London all my life, I still will get off at some dicey multi lane roundabouts or even some right hand turns on very busy roads. A lot of cyclists forget you can quickly become a pedestrian and just move on without risking your life.
Motorists don't always signal anyway, especially on roundabouts, the amount of times I've had to mouth and gesture to signal to drivers that would have crashed into my right of way had I not got a hunch they were too stupid or preoccupied to signal.
Had one Karen style woman angrily mouth back at me "I know!"
Oh you do, do you? Then why were you about to crush me in my legal right of way on a roundabout without signalling?
Maybe 8 signs saying cyclists must use pedestrian crossings instead would have saved a bit of money.
Been cycling roads in London all my life, I still will get off at some dicey multi lane roundabouts or even some right hand turns on very busy roads. A lot of cyclists forget you can quickly become a pedestrian and just move on without risking your life.
Motorists don't always signal anyway, especially on roundabouts, the amount of times I've had to mouth and gesture to signal to drivers that would have crashed into my right of way had I not got a hunch they were too stupid or preoccupied to signal.
Had one Karen style woman angrily mouth back at me "I know!"
Oh you do, do you? Then why were you about to crush me in my legal right of way on a roundabout without signalling?
Maybe 8 signs saying cyclists must use pedestrian crossings instead would have saved a bit of money.
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Yeah its that mentality of you may need to stop on a roundabout that has to change, where as right now we arent supposed to enter unless the exit is clear
the cambridge one has diffeerent priorities on different branches, though - hybrid.
Tesla / Autopilot - can't deal with them
https://spectrum.ieee.org/transport...e-big-problem-with-selfdriving-cars-is-people
https://spectrum.ieee.org/transport...ise-2020-is-not-the-year-for-selfdriving-cars
liked this bit
talkimg of bully's does Nasher know he got a stalker it's like the press and LadyD - some kind of symbiosis
having the cycle cross further from the junction makes sense.
Tesla / Autopilot - can't deal with them
https://spectrum.ieee.org/transport...e-big-problem-with-selfdriving-cars-is-people
https://spectrum.ieee.org/transport...ise-2020-is-not-the-year-for-selfdriving-cars
liked this bit
(yes 2017)
talkimg of bully's does Nasher know he got a stalker it's like the press and LadyD - some kind of symbiosis
having the cycle cross further from the junction makes sense.
Going up or down means digging the ground and likely having to divert utilities which takes time and costs money.
Then you have DDA compliance which can mean very long ramps depending on required headroom, this might not be achievable at the location. You could install lifts, but then you have maintenance, risk of vandalism or lift breaking down and wheelchairs users or people with prams/ walking difficulties not being able to cross the road where they need to.
Then you also have personal safety to consider, being alone in the middle of a narrow footbridge or a subway with limited visibility and escape options in case of assault/ robbery is not a great place to be.
That's just a few things to consider if you want to go over or under a road or rail
I design bridges for living so I'm all for building more 
Though I dislike designing footbridges and avoid working on them whenever I can.Looks to me that cycle lane is going to present cyclists in the blind spot of an articulated truck leaving the roundabout, whoever designed it clearly has no grasp of the risks trucks pose to cyclists because of said blind spots,he needs to look at the layout of his creation and have a long hard look at this image.....
one I’ll be avoiding if at all possible!
one I’ll be avoiding if at all possible!
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Pointless in this country.
Cycling infrastructure is appalling in this country. Most cycle lanes are just a bit of red paint on an existing road, making the road narrower. They aren't maintained, and people park in them anyway.
They work in the Netherlands because they fit into the existing cycle lane network, and drivers are far more aware of cyclists.
Cycling infrastructure is appalling in this country. Most cycle lanes are just a bit of red paint on an existing road, making the road narrower. They aren't maintained, and people park in them anyway.
They work in the Netherlands because they fit into the existing cycle lane network, and drivers are far more aware of cyclists.
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That’s the key issue : no-one is expecting to have to give way on the exits of a roundabout.
But should that not be the basis of all driving, observation and anticipation ?
Always look around and see what is going on, and be fully aware of everything going on all around you.
Always anticipate the worst, so you will be immediately ready for it when it does happen.
Expect you will have to stop the moment you leave a roundabout, someone walking across, a parked car, a breakdown, a million other things that could possibly be there.
The root cause of 99.9% of every accident/incident on the roads this day and age is, the driver, pure and simple.
The whole ethos of driving and learning to drive needs a complete ground up re-vamp and has done for decades. It is a privilege to be allowed to drive/ride a vehicle not a right.
I am a firm believer to make it mandatory for every driver to do an advanced driving assessment and test every couple of years.
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I dont even drive but cant really see how that round about would be a problem if drivers are paying attention,Same with cyclists though..everyone needs to pay attention!
im a cyclist and in the UK,outside of London anyway i feel we do not have anywhere near enough cycle lanes.
i do think its stupid they put a bush right in the middle of the island though,Why they're just obstructing a better view!
im a cyclist and in the UK,outside of London anyway i feel we do not have anywhere near enough cycle lanes.
i do think its stupid they put a bush right in the middle of the island though,Why they're just obstructing a better view!
Stalker might be giving me a bit too much credit, I just love a good work of fiction
If he's got everyone on ignore who points out the fact that the vast majority of his posts are completely wrong then I can't see there being many folks left for him to talk to, he's literally a meme in motors at this point
Consistency is king when it comes to road safety, this has been hammered in to me on every driving course and riding course I've been on. Unpredictable or unexpected situations is what causes accidents, which is why it baffles me that we have so many different roundabout layouts in this country. It's confusing at the best of times, anyone needing to take their focus off their driving for even a second to figure out how a road layout works, is now a hazard.
Also the bush in the middle is a good point, cutting off a huge visibility line just for a bit of green seems a bit... counter-intuitive.
It's a disaster, both in terms of the money spaffed on it, and in terms of the potential for accidents (and worse)
I'm Cambridge born and bred, a keen cyclist and also a car owner. I can see that this is a pointless waste; anyone with half a brain can. The vast majority of residents didn't want it, not to mention the traffic disruption for months while the roads were closed to build it - especially because it is one of the main routes to Cambridge's main hospital (and the largest in the county).
Unfortunately, Cambridge has a small number of very militant cyclists, whom are also very organised; their lobby, along with the green lobby in general gets a very sympathetic ear from the city and county council (or clowncil more accurately). They have other pet projects going on which seem to be targeting motorists and will adversely affect local businesses; closing Mill Road bridge to traffic, and making one of the main routes into/out of Cambridge from the A14 one-way.
I am all for better infrastructure for cycling; they have implemented some good schemes, and are still doing so, but this new roundabout is a white elephant and a farce. Anyone remember that other roundabout in Cambridge that got on Have I Got News For You?
I'm Cambridge born and bred, a keen cyclist and also a car owner. I can see that this is a pointless waste; anyone with half a brain can. The vast majority of residents didn't want it, not to mention the traffic disruption for months while the roads were closed to build it - especially because it is one of the main routes to Cambridge's main hospital (and the largest in the county).
Unfortunately, Cambridge has a small number of very militant cyclists, whom are also very organised; their lobby, along with the green lobby in general gets a very sympathetic ear from the city and county council (or clowncil more accurately). They have other pet projects going on which seem to be targeting motorists and will adversely affect local businesses; closing Mill Road bridge to traffic, and making one of the main routes into/out of Cambridge from the A14 one-way.
I am all for better infrastructure for cycling; they have implemented some good schemes, and are still doing so, but this new roundabout is a white elephant and a farce. Anyone remember that other roundabout in Cambridge that got on Have I Got News For You?
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Got rear-ended last year waiting for a pedestrian to cross at the exit of a roundabout.
I think it's a stupid location to put pedestrian crossing, drivers simply do not expect to stop as you leave a roundabout, nor are they concentrating on it.
I think it's a stupid location to put pedestrian crossing, drivers simply do not expect to stop as you leave a roundabout, nor are they concentrating on it.
I dislike any "multiple" traffic control system. The whole point of a roundabout is to maintain traffic flow, so why add signals? If you want traffic to periodically stop to allow pedestrians, cyclists or other traffic directions have right of way, why bother with the added cost of a roundabout? (the exception to this I guess is part-time signals, but then they are only part-time daft).
I worked on the science park back in 2005-2009 when they were thinking about a London style "congestion zone", which would start just before the business and science parks. It got binned after the companies there said they would leave Cambridge.
The council seem to be completely anti-car but can't grasp the idea that most people commute in (or out) to work there. Their public transport is also just as bad as everywhere else outside of London, buses are often late or just don't show up.
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