EV general discussion

169 euro battery lease! Feels like I’m back in 2018 with my Zoe all over again :cry:

Do they make the car cheaper to compensate or is it just a pure added fee on top
 
Not sure how they compare to be honest as they are not available here.

The ET5 which is a similar sized car to the Model 3 starts at 52k Euro for standard range (75kwh - 280 miles WLTP) plus 169/month. Long range (100kwh - 362 WLTP) is £56k euro plus 289/month. I'd assume its closer to BMW/Merc than Tesla in terms of fit and finish for that price.

On personal lease there is a choice of a 19 month old car for 888 Euro/month or a new one for 995 Euro/month for 4 years. Both cars were long but the milage is only 500km/month, pumping that to 1250km/month (9,300 miles/year), adds another 70 Euro/month.

Prices were from the German Nio website, includes German VAT, I don't think they have dealers so I'd expect the price to be the price.
 
Doesn't seem like a lot of stations...

"..Nio has significantly accelerated its pace of building battery swap stations in Europe recently, adding seven this month, according to data monitored by CnEVPost.

The company added one station in Europe in April and none in May or June...."

To me the only advantage is the warranty. Competitors could wipeout that advange in a moment by improving warranties. Tbh an improved warranty on diesels would do the same.

I can see the dates on banning ICE being pushed so far back that it stalls EV adoption to a rate that makes these dates a fantasy.
 
OspreyO said:
To me the only advantage is the warranty. Competitors could wipeout that advange in a moment by improving warranties. Tbh an improved warranty on diesels would do the same.
Click to expand...

We await the other companies to join MG (and also they need to offer it in other markets) as they've started doing a 'lifetime' warranty on their batteries in a few markets now, no idea if we'll get it here, but it is positive change.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
I have had the odd funny look and a few 'you cant tow that with an electric car mate' type comments.
Click to expand...
i "love" those kind of comments..... i have not had it about towing a caravan with an EV, but have had it regarding "you will never make it up to your parents (200 miles) in that without stopping" (despite never having to charge it going to my parents).

and also had the old "why do you have solar panels, we do not have enough sun for them you will never get your money back". ...... oh and also had the classic "think of the children forced down the cobalt mines" as well as the "precious rare earth metals in batteries".

Depending on who it is, i just nod politely and ignore them........ or if am in the mood i may engage.
 
I've just taken delivery of Hyundai Ioniq 5 and now need to get a charger sorted out.
I'm getting a bit confused with all the options available, if I go through Octopus (who are my new electric supplier) I can get;
  • myenergy Zappi
  • Ohme Home Pro
  • Ohme ePod
I had a quote from a third party and he is quoting for the;
  • Sync EV Socketed Wall charger 2 7.4KW WiFi (EVWC2S7G)
On the Octopus site they say the myenergy Zappi is good for solar, I'm planning on getting a whole solar set up (with battery) next year or the year after and that is swaying me towards the Zappi. It's only an extra £50.

Are all these about the same or is there one stand out?

Thanks so much!
 
only an extra £50 i would go with the zappi but that said, i personally never use my solar to put in my car as i can sell the electricity for more than it costs me to charge it in the intelligent octopus window.

having solar support covers you however if ever the export prices go down (or if the intelligent costs go up)

ohm is great for intelligent octopus support as well so i doubt you would go wrong with that either (but do not know the difference between the 2 versions).... just make sure what you get is supported for intelligent octopus because many cars are not supported directly, and even those which are, their support could be pulled at any time as has happened for a number of cars (mine included), but even if not, having octopus control the charge point rather than the car is just a better solution as it wont hammer your 12v battery on your car, and means if you get multiple EVs or you have guests with EVs they can charge using intelligent octopus as well.
 
Last edited:
bigmike20vt said:
only an extra £50 i would go with the zappi but that said, i personally never use my solar to put in my car as i can sell the electricity for more than it costs me to charge it in the intelligent octopus window.

having solar support covers you however if ever the export prices go down
Click to expand...
I'll be in a similar boat, because I don't do a lot of miles. I think I'll be charging up every 2/3 weeks, most of the electric I hopefully generate will be into running my household and exported
 
Hypervolt also officially supports IO if you want something that looks a little less like a toilet seat :p

Not to take anything away from the Zappi, it’s a good charger but it needs a serious redesign.

The only thing I would say is if you are getting solar later, make sure they install your charger in away that it can be easily discounted from your houses electric consumption. You can get issues with battery draining if your solar is measuring your total, including the EV charger as the battery will see the draw from the EV charger and attempt to service it.

I’d defo recommend cutting into your main meter tails in the meter cupboard to install it on a separate distribution board. That way you can put the measuring clamp for the solar around the wire going to the house consumer unit so it can’t ’see’ the charger.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
The only thing I would say is if you are getting solar later, make sure they install your charger in away that it can be easily discounted from your houses electric consumption. You can get issues with battery draining if your solar is measuring your total, including the EV charger as the battery will see the draw from the EV charger and attempt to service it.

I’d defo recommend cutting into your main meter tails in the meter cupboard to install it on a separate distribution board. That way you can put the measuring clamp for the solar around the wire going to the house consumer unit so it can’t ’see’ the charger.
Click to expand...
Very, very interesting. Thankfully the EV charger and distribution board will all be really close to each other (1.5m max) so whenever I get the solar installed I can get them to install another distribution board and have the EV feed off that instead. It'll all be really easy in the garage (sorry "plant room")
 
It’s more that you want your EV charger to be on its own supply. So something like this:

Incoming supply > meter > isolator > junction (often called Henley blocks)

The junction splits the power to:
1. EV charger only
2. Everything else.

You put the CT clamp which measures your electrical load on the ‘everything else’ cable so the batteries can’t measure the EV charger and fill any draw.

The main reason to do this is because intelligent time of use tariffs can charge your car at almost any time of the day (unlikely to be 1600-2000). The scheduled charging hours can also charge often.

Battery systems don’t really integrate with them very well, if at all. They rely on fixed timings.

You can use 3rd party software like home assistant to monitor for if octopus turns the car on and to charge the battery. However, it’s complex and not everything is supported either. It’s best to wire it up in a way which the charger can’t be seen by the battery and it doesn’t stop the charger from solar charging either as you’ll be using a different CT clamp for that and you can place it to see everything.
 
Yey. Finally arrived today. Just manged to get a wash and wax (Collinite S-845 Insulator Speed Wax) done before the rain hit - didn't manage to get the wheels or tyres done annoyingly. Shame it wasn't delivered at the weekend when the weather was better, but I'll give it a proper clean this weekend hopefully. Dad seems happy with it, the colour is interesting depending on the light it sometimes isn't blue, but more purple. First time we've both seen it. And he likes the upgraded wheels over the standard multispoke ones. And it seems to be charging ok which is the main bit! No idea what the energy bill will look like as I didnt use a schedule I just set it to charge asap in Ohme app - so that might not get me the 7p rate? Anyone with the Ohme app and an Ovo account with experience on what to do / what is the correct procedure?

Honda-Side.jpg

Honda-Side-2.jpg

Honda-Waxed.jpg

Honda-Charging.jpg
 
chanjy said:
Nice colour! People seem to think they are decent value on those deals
Click to expand...
Thanks! Yeah my dad likes the deal, he is saving a fair chunk compared to the XC60. And as an OAP it all helps. Think he is saving just over £100 a month on the payments, so that's £1,200 year back in his pocket. Nice. Savings on fuel, even if charging at the normal 27p rate. Oops! I think to fill the XC60 was about £70 and he averaged about 22MPG. The XC60 also only had 2 complimentary services included, those were used, so the next service was due in October - that was another outlay to now consider. He also paid for 3rd party break down cover. But thanks to the Honda he can save on the servicing and the breakdown. :)
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom