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When are you going fully electric?
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Soldato
Stick with ICE then If you don't want to stop to eat or use the toilet on long journeys.
Judging by cost of petrol at motorway garages can assume the price on chargers is equally as offensive?
If I was getting an EV now it would not be a hybrid.
Twice as much to go wrong for(to me) no benefit.
Not with new EVs anyway
If I was getting an EV now it would not be a hybrid.
Twice as much to go wrong for(to me) no benefit.
Not with new EVs anyway
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It's what, 75p kwh?
I got £700 charging credit when I got my Tavvy. So that'll likely last at least 2 years of my long journeys at current rates.
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All of this talk of stopping off at motorway services.... after you buy a sandwich, does that not offset any fuel savings for the year?
Perhaps for the handful of journeys a year where one actually needs to stop.
Meanwhile the rest of us quietly get on with our lives
To be fair, the most expensive charging stop I’ve had was at Darts Farm near Exeter, Tesla got £10 out of me, the farm shop on the other hand managed to extract an undisclosed amount of money from me.
Don’t expect any major step changes but there has been incredible amount of incremental change year on year when looked at say over 3-5 years look like larger jumps. Still plenty to go on that front.
That said EVs have been more than good enough for the vast majority for a long time. The challenge is making them cheaper and more affordable, not ‘better’.
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I get it - you're young, free and single and need to rush from Lands End to John O’Groats, in your modified petrol Corsa, every weekend
Get a bit older, where life isn't a race, or have a family, and you find you need to stop after 1-2 hours of driving anyway.
Range is bladder size limited, not by the the size of fuel tank or battery.
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I can't count how many times ICE drivers come back at EV owners saying how many miles do you get on a full tank?
One reply could have been me yesterday on The Facebooks,
"Me and the wife never travel more than 100 miles a week, at the most 20 miles a day but we have drove to the airport 40 miles away several times so never have to worry about fuel and just plug it in when we get home for 2p a mile".
"Yeah but what if you need to go 150 miles one way and come back?"
"In the last 20 years we've only ever done 40 miles at the most but if we were forced to do it I'd plan a stop somewhere for 30 minutes".
"Ah so you have to stop to fill up
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"Yes but I also stop to fill up with petrol, I really don't know what point you're making" ....................... and so on
One reply could have been me yesterday on The Facebooks,
"Me and the wife never travel more than 100 miles a week, at the most 20 miles a day but we have drove to the airport 40 miles away several times so never have to worry about fuel and just plug it in when we get home for 2p a mile".
"Yeah but what if you need to go 150 miles one way and come back?"
"In the last 20 years we've only ever done 40 miles at the most but if we were forced to do it I'd plan a stop somewhere for 30 minutes".
"Ah so you have to stop to fill up
""Yes but I also stop to fill up with petrol, I really don't know what point you're making" ....................... and so on
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I get it - you're young, free and single and need to rush from Lands End to John O’Groats, in your modified petrol Corsa, every weekend
Get a bit older, where life isn't a race, or have a family, and you find you need to stop after 1-2 hours of driving anyway.
Range is bladder size limited, not by the the size of fuel tank or battery.
I turned 40 in November. Thanks for the heads up though
Man of Honour
I turned 40 in November. Thanks for the heads up though
Also remember that every one of us ex ICE drivers including yourself have range anxiety with our ICE cars, before you go on a trip we all ask ourselves "is there enough in?" and visit a petrol station if we need to.
It really is no different with EVs.
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I had a PHEV for 10 days as a courtesy car recently. The range was terrible. It was only a 45L tank (presumably to make way for the electric stuff). With a full battery and full tank it did about 300 miles. It was an Audi Q5. So many BEVs are higher than that.
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i have had an EV for over 18 months now however......... i still have the £10 free introductory credit on my electroverse card waiting to be used!.
in the interests of fairness i did charge once at a gridserve and my electroverse card is not supported there.
the 2nd time i charged there was an odd fault with the charger and i got £40 of juice and it went through on my account at 0p
and the 3rd time i charged i forgot to use my electroverse card.
but still..... only3 times in 18 months have i gone beyond the range of my car where i didnt have access to destination charging. YMMV depending on personal situation but for me, as with many other drivers, the handful of times a year where you have to pay expensive charging or wait around is a drop in the bucket.
going forward i think i will try to use tesla in future anyway as they seem much cheaper to charge at even as a non tesla owner
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A few times a year I'll do 175 miles one way (350 mile round trip), so it would be good for us if we got an EV that did 200 miles in the depths of winter, fully loaded I guess.
Do you not feel a bit in the hands of the energy companies though? What if Octopus Go ended tomorrow and you could only charge at 3-4 times the cost of what you currently do? I'm not knocking EV ownership by the way. Just curious as trying to decide whether to make the jump.
Do you not feel a bit in the hands of the energy companies though? What if Octopus Go ended tomorrow and you could only charge at 3-4 times the cost of what you currently do? I'm not knocking EV ownership by the way. Just curious as trying to decide whether to make the jump.
I know it’s selfish but I just cannot see a full transition. The infrastructure required if everyone was to move to electric is just enormous. Plus the cost of the vehicles from the trusted brands is ridiculous. Not convinced on re-sale value either.
Maybe my hand will be forced before I turn 50
I can't count how many times ICE drivers come back at EV owners saying how many miles do you get on a full tank?
One reply could have been me yesterday on The Facebooks,
"Me and the wife never travel more than 100 miles a week, at the most 20 miles a day but we have drove to the airport 40 miles away several times so never have to worry about fuel and just plug it in when we get home for 2p a mile".
"Yeah but what if you need to go 150 miles one way and come back?"
"In the last 20 years we've only ever done 40 miles at the most but if we were forced to do it I'd plan a stop somewhere for 30 minutes".
"Ah so you have to stop to fill up
"Yes but I also stop to fill up with petrol, I really don't know what point you're making" ....................... and so on
Or "How long does it take to charge?" - I've never really needed to care. Overnight, it just charges. Rapid charges? It tells me how long it needs in order to finish the journey, so "it really does depend" is the answer!
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if this happens..... and to be honest i suspect the government will find some way to get more money off us one way or another sooner or later................... even if i have to pay the SVR it is still cheaper than petrol.
Add to that...... unless we get a full on Donald Trump type leading the country, i believe IF they make cost of running an EV increase 4 fold electricity wise, then they will also hammer ICE vehicles on fuel tax even harder as well.
imo if the carrot for owning an EV is removed, it will just be replaced with "stick" (EV) or really BIG STICK (ICE) so the EV will still work out cheaper for those who can charge at home.
PS plenty of EVs have a 200mile winter range these days, the easy answer if you are worried by range and charging anxiety is just buy a tesla. Model 3s can be gotten easily the right side of £20K now.
its not my favourite car but as an EV its hard to knock them. Not sure what the cheapest model Ys start at if you need a bit more space.
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Do you not feel a bit in the hands of the oil companies though? What if oil prices doubled tomorrow and you could only fill up for £3 per litre?
There are a number of competing offers, not just Octopus. There's Tomato, Ovo, EDF, and Eon at least who have cheap rates. Plus there's also economy 7 tariffs out there as well - they offer 7 hours overnight of cheap power to anyone, no EV ownership required.
So there's going to be a chance to charge for cheap - perhaps not *as* cheap, but not 3-4x as you suggest.
I know it’s selfish but I just cannot see a full transition. The infrastructure required if everyone was to move to electric is just enormous. Plus the cost of the vehicles from the trusted brands is ridiculous. Not convinced on re-sale value either.
Maybe my hand will be forced before I turn 50
The infra requirements are not that enormous. They're non-zero for sure, but neither is it non-zero to make/refresh petrol station forecourts & to drive a fleet of tankers around full of fuel - we're doing a load of infrastructure work already, EV transition would change the effort we invest.
For those worried about new prices, well, enjoy the savage depreciation and purchase a 3 year old off-lease one. Plenty of bargains out there!
With no realistic alternative, I think it's fair to say your hand will be forced.I know it’s selfish but I just cannot see a full transition. The infrastructure required if everyone was to move to electric is just enormous. Plus the cost of the vehicles from the trusted brands is ridiculous. Not convinced on re-sale value either.
Maybe my hand will be forced before I turn 50