When are you going fully electric?

That’s right - for example you could do 120 miles which might take you from 80% to 40%, you’d charge back to 80% overnight ready to do it again the next day.
 
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I think the poster was being sarcastic....

what @WJA96 is trying to say is that on those EV tariffs you can’t fully charge the car from empty to full in the cheap period in one sitting.

What everyone else is trying to say is that’s fine because in reality very few people (unless you daily commute is mega) will need to charge more than a fraction of the battery every day so it’s almost irrelevant. The battery can be charged back up over a couple of days.

if you are charging up 50kw a day, every day, those EV tariffs will not offer the same value. But as many posters have said you’ll need to be doing some serious mileage for that to be relevant. For the vast majority it just isn’t. Even when you empty the battery in a day, you’ll only pay more if you need to empty it again the following day. That might happen a couple of times a year. I think I can count on one hand the number of times I’ve ever driven 200 miles two days running.
 
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Bringing energy to life :)

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Looks ‘fine’ to me, by fine I mean it looks pretty much like any other car in its segment.

I am glad that manufacturers have managed to grasp that their EVs can just look like normal cars and done need silly gimmicks like ‘special’ blue highlights and badges etc. or need to look line something from the future (i3). I like the i3 but most people really don’t. The mini is the worst for silly yellow highlights, I know you can remove them buy why do it in the first place...

I saw EVMs video on the Mazda MX-30 the other day, I just don’t know why they were thinking with those doors on such a big car. Everyone that’s owned an i3 will tell you they are a PITA if you actually have to use the rears. The range extender version sounds interesting though.
 
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Bringing energy to life :)

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Photo - 10/10
Car - 10/10

The composition is bang on and remarkably complex. Car and pylon, pylon and cables, pylon and contrails, car and road, road and horizon. There's a tremendous amount of relationships in there. I really like it.
 
Both the ioniq 5 and the Kia Ev 6 , will have more range and be better value than the VW ID 4 , think it will be some time (5 years) if ever before we see the likes of the competitive China variant ev's being in RHD in the UK such as Xpeng P7 or the Nio ES6
 
I dunno, the G3 is already available in Europe and MG has proven there is a market for affordable Chinese EVs.

Even Dacia is now fairy well established brand these days in the ICE space.
 
Were not part of Europe anymore and being RHD there has to be some serious demand and benefit in kind for those Chinese EV manufacturers to invest in the UK RHD market , Just can't see the value being there in the next 5 years at least, Somewhere like Norway is always considered a launch platform for any EV manufacturer benefits there in kind over what the UK currently offer. This needs to change for future investment in the UK EV sector

b0rn2sk8 said:
I dunno, the G3 is already available in Europe and MG has proven there is a market for affordable Chinese EVs.

Even Dacia is now fairy well established brand these days in the ICE space.
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nam said:
Were not part of Europe anymore and being RHD there has to be some serious demand and benefit in kind for those Chinese EV manufacturers to invest in the UK RHD market , Just can't see the value being there in the next 5 years at least, Somewhere like Norway is always considered a launch platform for any EV manufacturer benefits there in kind over what the UK currently offer. This needs to change for future investment in the UK EV sector
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Being in Europe doesn’t mean car companies have to launch RHD models in this country, likewise brexit doesn’t mean we are all going to start buying brittish. :p

It’s entirely a commercial decision, like I said MG are doing very well in the U.K. because they offer a decent product at a reasonable price. That’s their USP.

The U.K. is the second or third biggest EV market in Europe currently. Norway is often put on a pedestal because of the % share but in terms of volume, the U.K., France and Germany are bigger markets.
 
nam said:
Were not part of Europe anymore and being RHD there has to be some serious demand and benefit in kind for those Chinese EV manufacturers to invest in the UK RHD market , Just can't see the value being there in the next 5 years at least, Somewhere like Norway is always considered a launch platform for any EV manufacturer benefits there in kind over what the UK currently offer. This needs to change for future investment in the UK EV sector
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No, while I would accept that the UK has lost out in some areas with regard to Europe, the RHD issue makes membership of the EU irrelevant. The UK is RHD, Ireland is RHD but the EU will do absolutely nothing to make car manufacturers supply RHD versions of otherwise LHD cars to the Irish market. Indeed the Irish make it even more complicated for manufacturers because they standardised on the metric system for speed and distance. So you can’t even just build a UK market RHD car and sell it new in Ireland because the speedometer and odometer are wrong. You’re better off getting almost any other RHD market car because Australia, NZ etc. all are metric.

UK RHD cars are a specialist market and we buy a LOT of cars. That’s why all the otherwise LHD car manufacturers bother to manufacture cars for the UK. The Chinese are not daft. They can see how many cars we buy in the UK and, if they think they can make a profit, they’ll supply RHD versions of cars. I think we’ll see XPeng and Nio and all the others here sooner rather than later. But only if they think they can make a profit.

If (and it’s a massive if) Tesla do build a giga-factory in the UK then I think Tesla will do really well here. And if the market shows that UK built EVs are a hit, the Chinese will assemble cars here (not make completely from scratch, assemble) and I think they can also do well.

One of the great things about the UK car market is that it is being forced to change from ICE to BEV and Brexit has been a further disruptive force in the new car market. That old thing where if you wanted a quality car you bought German is fast diminishing and so long as the UK doesn’t do anything daft like another British Leyland scenario (great product design and innovation, built by people who literally didn’t give a ****) then I think the BEV car market future in the UK could be really bright. Let’s hope so!
 
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