When are you going fully electric?

Journey said:
Of course nothing at all will change between now and then though, right? :rolleyes:
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It depends, of course you would expect infrastructure availability would increase but if BEV ownership vastly increases will there be enough chargers to cope? Who knows. It won’t matter to people with home charging but for people like me that don’t it’s a big deal
 
Bear said:
It depends, of course you would expect infrastructure availability would increase but if BEV ownership vastly increases will there be enough chargers to cope? Who knows. It won’t matter to people with home charging but for people like me that don’t it’s a big deal
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I really dont know what the long term solution for houses with no parking is, I am not sure that anyone has an answer to it currently.

A BEV would be a hard no from me too, with no personal charging. I never ever use service stations despite being a reasonably high mileage driver, so unless chargers got to the point where it was literally a pitstop then i wouldn't be interested.

Of course with your own charger the prospect is wonderful once the nicer cars become more affordable.
 
I think part of it is a mentality shift thats required - had a conversation with the wife today about this - starting to get twitchy as the battery was down to 83%.... Then I realised I would happily drive my ICE car down to the light coming on and then fill it up. An electric shouldnt be fundamentally different (although granted it does take longer to "fill"). The ioniq appears to default to stop charging at 80% when using rapid chargers. I can top it up to 100% at home overnight if I really want that extra 20%.
 
Honestly? For people without driveways or other available options, I’d expect it to be still problematic post 2035, for a long time too. It will be like broadband was back in the day (and still is to a certain extent, though greatly diminished). They’ll be huge ‘not spots’ where the public network just isn’t good enough for everyone that needs it. Some streets will get posts in the streets outside peoples houses, others will not etc.

The government is starting to shift its grant money into public and community chargers but it isn’t enough and then there is the elephant in the room.

To put it simply, there isn’t enough qualified installers in the country to keep pace with projected new car sales to get the infrastructure in place alongside all the existing demand for qualified electricians for the business as usual work.
 
Journey said:
Of course nothing at all will change between now and then though, right? :rolleyes:
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When is "then" though? I mean if the 2030 date remains set in stone at what point will you be able to choose from a full selection of Diesel and Petrol cars? I can't really see manufacturers still pushing out a full range of ICE vehicles in Q4 of 2029. Already manufacturers are playing their 'green' trump cards trying to out do one another by declaring that they will be completely electrified by 202#.

The cut off may be just over 8 years away but I think it is safe to say that your new car options are going to be massively compromised long before then.
 
Bear said:
It depends, of course you would expect infrastructure availability would increase but if BEV ownership vastly increases will there be enough chargers to cope? Who knows. It won’t matter to people with home charging but for people like me that don’t it’s a big deal
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Seems to be one of the main concerns for people when buying an EV is mentioned. Seems to be little confidence in the British government ensuring the infrastructure is in place when pretty much everything else they do/get involved in is a ****-up :D
 
Long term, when there are destination chargers everywhere, people without drive's to home charge will 'graze' charge when they visit a supermarket, shopping centre, cinema, pub/restaurant, work, hair dresser etc...
 
SDK^ said:
Long term, when there are destination chargers everywhere, people without drive's to home charge will 'graze' charge when they visit a supermarket, shopping centre, cinema, pub/restaurant, work, hair dresser etc...
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So rather than spending 5 minutes once a month to fill up I would be constantly looking for the next charge point to sit at for an hour and hope it's empty when I get there.
Not entirely sure that will work for me.
 
My wife's suggestion for the motorway service charging issue...

Every single space has a charging cable/charger, but clearly they can't all operate at once (the draw involved would be obscene)... Instead the cars that do plug into them and register wanting to charge are added to a queue first come first served and the charge is distributed around in order - when your car hits 80% (or less if you've set it less) your charger turns off and the next in the queue turns on...

So you'd just rock up plug in and register then go get your KFC or whatever and keep an eye on your phone for the ping to tell you the charging is starting/done/etc
 
Uther said:
So rather than spending 5 minutes once a month to fill up I would be constantly looking for the next charge point to sit at for an hour and hope it's empty when I get there.
Not entirely sure that will work for me.
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Well you wouldn't constantly need to look for a charger.

I've noticed near me that quite a number of the free 7kw chargers have no cables. You need to use your own.
 
Bear said:
Its a hard no from me with the current infrastructure, if it improves then hopefully it won’t be a problem (remains to be seen with the increase in BEV ownership). Doesn’t the rules say no petrol/diesels by 2030 but it still allows hybrids till 2035? If that’s the case then I can get a hybrid which would probably see my days out if BEVs remain unviable for people that have to rely solely on public charging
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You will find most manufacturers will have turned their whole line up to BEV well before the 2035 deadline for hybrids or even the 2030 deadline. Both Ford and Volvo have both said they will be all EV by 2030. BMW have said the mini will be EV only come 2030 but still expect other models to still be hybrids or even ice for countries in the world behind on EV cars. That doesnt mean they will bother making those models RHD for the UK market though.

Plus no manufacturers is going to put R&D into ice engines anymore or hybrid cars as we get closer to the deadlines just to keep a few customers happy who still want hybrids and if they are still selling any hybrids post 2030 it will be old cars and tech. Eg you may well still be able buy a BMW hybrid in 2034 but chances are it might be a 2025 model and showing its age.
 
Uther said:
So rather than spending 5 minutes once a month to fill up I would be constantly looking for the next charge point to sit at for an hour and hope it's empty when I get there.
Not entirely sure that will work for me.
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You would not be looking or sitting.
You drive to where you need to go, plug-in to charge, go and do that thing, come back, unplug and drive away - simples

The same as you do now with your car, but when you stop and park, you plug in to charge it.
It's really not difficult to understand
 
DarrenM343 said:
Seems to be one of the main concerns for people when buying an EV is mentioned. Seems to be little confidence in the British government ensuring the infrastructure is in place when pretty much everything else they do/get involved in is a ****-up :D
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Well they arent doing enough and just expect private enterprise to deliver the goods. Same with replacing gas boilers. There just arent enough qualified people around to fit the required numbers of the Govts target. Its all just saying the right things and hoping you wont still be around when it all fails.
 
What I don't get is how pessimistic some people can be, the ban on sales of new ICE cars that aren't Hybrids is still 9 years away, in 2012 (9 years ago) the world was a totally different place, and people didn't know what an EV was for the most part let alone ever dream of owning one. However lots of people seem to think that fitting plugs, or charge points is hard, and not something that can be done easily and quickly, I mean lets face it the main issue is the red tape for the larger charging hubs, and making sure the DNO's can get them signed of and local substations upgraded.
 
Greebo said:
Plus no manufacturers is going to put R&D into ice engines anymore or hybrid cars as we get closer to the deadlines just to keep a few customers happy who still want hybrids and if they are still selling any hybrids post 2030 it will be old cars and tech. Eg you may well still be able buy a BMW hybrid in 2034 but chances are it might be a 2025 model and showing its age.
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By 2035 I will more than likely be retired, whether it will be old tech won’t matter if the other option is having a car which is a pain to keep going
 
SDK^ said:
The same as you do now with your car, but when you stop and park, you plug in to charge it.
It's really not difficult to understand
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If there are enough chargers and if they are all working. My wife has a hybrid ePace and the amount of trouble she had trying to get a charger that worked around the few towns around us put her off for good. The straw that broke the camels back was a BP Pulse charging post that wouldnt release her charging cable and had to sit on the phone to BP customer services for over half an hour to get through which they finally reset the post to release the cable. She was fuming so much she won’t entertain the idea of charging it any more.
 
Tesla idle charges after 5mins
Country/Region Currency Idle fee (per minute) Idle fee (per minute) when the station is 100% occupied
United Kingdom GBP £0.50 £1.00
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for one, I wouldn't be waiting in the KFC queue or the bathroom

Over half the time (61.4%) that electric vehicles spend connected to public charging stations, they're idly occupying a space that another car could use, according to a JRC-led study of e-vehicle charging times in the Netherlands.
This 'idle time' occurs when the car has been fully charged but is left plugged in. High idle time obviously reduces the availability of chargers, but it also provides an opportunity for grid operators to balance the grid.
Using data from 1.8 million e-vehicle charging observations in the Netherlands over a 6-year period, the study analyses the factors affecting idle time, providing a methodology to plan effective future charging infrastructures. The study authors also recommend building new charging points in the centre and at the outskirts of the cities that they looked at.
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uncle_rufus said:
My wife's suggestion for the motorway service charging issue...

Every single space has a charging cable/charger, but clearly they can't all operate at once (the draw involved would be obscene)... Instead the cars that do plug into them and register wanting to charge are added to a queue first come first served and the charge is distributed around in order - when your car hits 80% (or less if you've set it less) your charger turns off and the next in the queue turns on...

So you'd just rock up plug in and register then go get your KFC or whatever and keep an eye on your phone for the ping to tell you the charging is starting/done/etc
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Going to need massive car parks for that...and huge investment.

If someone can lend me £60k+ I'd be all over a BMW M50 or a hot Ioniq 5/EV6 when they come out, everything else at the moment just doesn't interest me. If I go EV I at least want to tick the straight-line speed box (excluding Teslas).
 
Had a couple of drives in a Kia EV6 now. nice internals, good looking car. I agree the boot isn't as big as you'd imagine it should be, but not an overriding concern for me.

One thing I did notice is that once you get to 35mph+, road noise becomes an issue, to the point that when you are at 60+, it doesn't matter that it doesn't have an engine as it would be drowned out anyway. Anyone else have similar/different experience ? This was an S-line, so wondering perhaps if the non-S variant (which has 19" wheels) might be a quieter experience. ALso note that the black part of the two-tone "alloy" wheels is actually a plastic clipon.
 
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