When are you going fully electric?

jpaul · 2 Feb 2022 at 08:18

b0rn2sk8 said:
The term ‘Chinese build quality’ used in a derogatory way is just a nonsense really these days.

moreover, I think the world backed off on engineering quality, removing over engineering/repairability in response to throwaway product obsolesence paradigm - decline in bmw/mercedes (german) build since the 90's to wit. ashi-guru fixed their japanese quality in electronic goods, but similarly worldwide decline since then.
(e: or, rather Kaoru Ishikawa... V gearing on front/rear M3 motors are different)

chroniclard said:
Hmm Skoda doing an Enyaq vRS....but only 6.5 0-60....seems a bit poor.

maybe with higher gearing they are pushing the power band upwards into the 50mph+ range - headline 0-60 is not all there is.
demands on the battery/cooling system/electronics are also increased by alllowing fast 0-60.

Jonnycoupe · 2 Feb 2022 at 08:24

The ID3 is much smaller and I don’t think there’s a 4WD yet until GTX shows up? How is there a real world sub 6 version?

Enyaq also has bigger wheels and tyres. The motor won’t be different regardless what jpaul hypothesis suggests - that’s the idea of an at scale platform deployment.

chanjy · 2 Feb 2022 at 08:45

chroniclard said:
Hmm Skoda doing an Enyaq vRS....but only 6.5 0-60....seems a bit poor.

That's just as fast as an Octavia VRS more or less, so... just because it has a VRS label doesn't mean it is that fast lol

[TW]Fox · 2 Feb 2022 at 08:47

chroniclard said:
Hmm Skoda doing an Enyaq vRS....but only 6.5 0-60....seems a bit poor.

Since when has any Skoda been much quicker than that?

Why does everything need to do 0-60 in 3 seconds now?

SDK^ · 2 Feb 2022 at 09:08

chroniclard said:
Hmm Skoda doing an Enyaq vRS....but only 6.5 0-60....seems a bit poor.

It's a family SUV with a bit more power - not a GT3 car

Also, it looks on par with other Skoda vRS models.

chroniclard · 2 Feb 2022 at 09:09

[TW]Fox said:
Since when has any Skoda been much quicker than that?

Why does everything need to do 0-60 in 3 seconds now?

now? some of us always wanted to.

SDK^ said:
It's a family SUV with a bit more power - not a GT3 car

Yet there are plenty that are much quicker. Granted probably much more expensive.

chanjy said:
That's just as fast as an Octavia VRS more or less, so... just because it has a VRS label doesn't mean it is that fast lol

Had a vRS in the past(albeit an old Mk1 Octavia) and loved it. Would be nice to see a fast(er) vRS EV is all.

Build me a Golf R EV Volkswagen :cry:

lordrobs · 2 Feb 2022 at 13:05

chroniclard said:
now? some of us always wanted to.

Had a vRS in the past(albeit an old Mk1 Octavia) and loved it. Would be nice to see a fast(er) vRS EV is all.

0-60 in sub 7 seconds is plenty quick enough for a sporty version of a family SUV from Skoda. This arms race of manufacturers focussing on the EV party piece of 0-60 times has skewed peoples concepts of a quick car in the family car segment. Doesn't make the willy waving of "ooh look the Model S "Plaid" does 0-60 0.4 seconds quicker" any less irrelevant on the roads though.

Wasn't the mk1 Octavia vRS 7.9s 0-60? So it is already a fair chunk quicker in comparison.

chroniclard · 2 Feb 2022 at 13:10

lordrobs said:
0-60 in sub 7 seconds is plenty quick enough for a sporty version of a family SUV from Skoda. This arms race of manufacturers focussing on the EV party piece of 0-60 times has skewed peoples concepts of a quick car in the family car segment. Doesn't make the willy waving of "ooh look the Model S "Plaid" does 0-60 0.4 seconds quicker" any less irrelevant on the roads though.

Wasn't the mk1 Octavia vRS 7.9s 0-60? So it is already a fair chunk quicker in comparison.

Oh yeah, the mk1 wasn't particularly quick in the grand scheme of things. My expectations of a vRS are possibly inflated.

Brother has a i4 M50 on the way, so if we go EV needs to be in that ballpark. :cry:

2.5 more years of the Golf R anyway so plenty of time for something interesting(to me) to appear.

delta0 · 2 Feb 2022 at 17:59

[TW]Fox said:
Since when has any Skoda been much quicker than that?

Why does everything need to do 0-60 in 3 seconds now?

Tesla has created that USP for EVs. So now everyone expects EVs that go as quick and have as much range. Really how no one else is keeping up with Tesla after all this time is a bit shocking.

paradigm · 2 Feb 2022 at 18:03

delta0 said:
Tesla has created that USP for EVs. So now everyone expects EVs that go as quick and have as much range. Really how no one else is keeping up with Tesla after all this time is a bit shocking.

I’m not sure that’s really true. An i4 M50 is only a smidge more than a Model 3 Performance, and both have a similar range and acceleration figures.

What there isn’t really is anything that covers what the lower Model 3 variants offer for the money. The Model 3 Long Range is still faster than most EVs yet with a higher range.

delta0 · 2 Feb 2022 at 18:05

paradigm said:
I’m not sure that’s really true. An i4 M50 is only a smidge more than a Model 3 Performance, and both have a similar range and acceleration figures.

What there isn’t really is anything that covers what the lower Model 3 variants offer.

In the real world the i4 is well down on the range unfortunately. Tests with the 20” wheels have it sub 200 miles of range on a motorway vs M3P which is around 270-280.

[TW]Fox · 2 Feb 2022 at 18:12

delta0 said:
Tesla has created that USP for EVs. So now everyone expects EVs that go as quick and have as much range. Really how no one else is keeping up with Tesla after all this time is a bit shocking.

Because most cars are bought by non car enthusiasts and most non car enthusiasts don't care about doing 0-60 in 3 seconds.

chroniclard · 2 Feb 2022 at 18:14

They are but there is a market for performance cars. Said it before but I would like a hot hatch EV, the ones so far are not for me.

b0rn2sk8 · 2 Feb 2022 at 18:17

I don't think this that Tesla have made a USP a for EV's being very fast, nearly all manufactures have gone down that route and nearly all models have more power than their ICE equivalents. Even the Leaf was pretty fast for what it was and who it was targeting, same with the likes of the Kona.

The thing is that making a fast EV isn't that difficult and if done correctly, doesn't really impact efficacy and therefore cost to run it - you really can have the best of both worlds in an EV, that is both lots a power and great efficiency. People look to Tesla because they absolutely nailed that concept of combining power and effciency which others just can't seen to match.

[TW]Fox said:
Because most cars are bought by non car enthusiasts and most non car enthusiasts don't care about doing 0-60 in 3 seconds.

I disagree. Most people want to drive round in more powerful ICE car. Granted not always enough power to do 0-60 in 3 seconds but certainly more than 110hp you get in an average car. The issue is that the mainstream prioritise efficiency (and therefore cost) over power because they are mutually exclusive with ICE where more powerful cars nearly always cost significantly more to run.

[TW]Fox · 2 Feb 2022 at 18:30

b0rn2sk8 said:
Most people want to drive round in more powerful ICE car

There is an enormous gap between a Fiesta 1.0 that could do with a bit more power and something that would keep up with an Aventador.

Journey · 2 Feb 2022 at 18:40

0-30 is where it is at, people who aren't even into cars can feel the vast difference in power/torque when pulling away at junctions, or doing hill starts (important where I live). Pretty much any EV will feel fast if it isn't being restricted for efficiency/safety at those speeds, getting to 60 great on a slip road but after that I don't think it makes much different how quickly you reach the legal speed limit.

I've had a few people in my Ioniq who've commented at how fast it felt off the line so to speak, and why would you need anything faster, one of these people owns an M3 Beeeeeemeeeer (and a camper van!) and being a bloke in his early 60's never thought he'd be impressed by an electric car, let alone a KOREAN one

Jonnycoupe · 2 Feb 2022 at 18:57

delta0 said:
In the real world the i4 is well down on the range unfortunately. Tests with the 20” wheels have it sub 200 miles of range on a motorway vs M3P which is around 270-280.

Press drives is not real world.

delta0 · 2 Feb 2022 at 19:07

Jonnycoupe said:
Press drives is not real world.

I’m really happy to be convinced otherwise if someone can provide a real world range test for this car at motorway speeds.

[TW]Fox said:
Because most cars are bought by non car enthusiasts and most non car enthusiasts don't care about doing 0-60 in 3 seconds.

Tesla seems to be making it work as they have the greatest number of EV sales. 3, 4 or 5s they are all ridiculous numbers for non sports cars.

Jonnycoupe · 2 Feb 2022 at 19:10

No one can, but then they are not acting spokesperson purely as an observer either.

delta0 · 2 Feb 2022 at 19:25

Jonnycoupe said:
No one can, but then they are not acting spokesperson purely as an observer either.

For the range? There are loads of real world tests. I’ve just not seen one with the BMW going over 200 miles yet (especially on the motorway). I would absolutely love it if they did as that would immediately go on my shortlist.