When are you going fully electric?

Bug One said:
You're right. It's probably not for you.
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Why do you say that?

Because i have a point of view that apposes people who already own a EV?

I'd like to own one.
Happily go out and buy a new Tesla tomorrow.. or a second hand one...

But financially, it wouldn't make sense. That's the issue here, not that they are better for the environment, or better for reducing fossil fuel use... The issue is that they don't make enough financial sense to most of the populous.

We have Tesla Model S's in the family, I love to drive them when I get the chance. BUT.. those are 100% free to charge.. so it makes sense lol
 
Diagro said:
BUT, and here is the real issue. 90% of joe public, dont give a rats arse.. as long as the car is cheap. (EV isnt cheap, esp second hand.. fear of needing a new battery too. expensive stuff)
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If you can get an EV through a company car or salary sacrifice scheme then it will be cheaper than a petrol or diesel car due to the very low tax on EV's.

In terms of the dead battery fear - You don't NEED to replace the whole battery, just the dead cells, which could cost a few hundred pounds.
It's the tabloid and click bait hype that have installed this £20k+ battery replacement requirement every 3 years into some people.

e.g. someone setting fire to their Tesla and putting the video on YouTube, because 'OMG I can't afford the £50k they 'quoted me' for a battery replacement'.
For sure, that was legit and was never to gain millions of views or subs ! :p
 
SDK^ said:
If you can get an EV through a company car or salary sacrifice scheme then it will be cheaper than a petrol or diesel car due to the very low tax on EV's.
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And this is where an EV makes total sense. If you have access to a scheme like this it's very difficult NOT to make the case for an EV - they are far cheaper and being brand new concerns about longevity are absolutely irrelevant. You get almost all of the benefits of EV with few of the potential downsides and it's really cheap as well.

For everyone else its difficult to really know because the second hand market is such a mess that the typical collection of used cars at sensible prices does not exist currently. The typical buyer of a 3-4 year old car who may keep it 5 years currently faces having to pay almost brand new money for the car *and* have all the worries about longevity. Though the first problem at least is also faced by ICE car buyers too, but there is at least a large collection of even older alternatives they can pick instead.
 
Ok ill try fixing that.

I see Norwich GridServe forcourt is nearing completion with the charging areas under the building rather than a forecourt to save land space, pretty cool.

Exeter services about to have the 12x 350kW chargers working, this is a big shift in options for travelling to the South West, the exisiting 3 near the services (slower) will also remain.
 
Looking good, getting up into north Norfolk has always been a bit of a pain because there is only really a scattering of single or dual units about.

The A14 corridor is still utterly lacking though given how busy it actually is.
 
Jonnycoupe said:
New cars never make sense financially. When EV or when brand new to save £150 a year of VED.
The emotional connection to this era of change is perplexing
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Different times though. We are seeing 2 and 3 year old EVs been the same price as new. At least with new you get a full warranty and zero battery use.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
I don’t think that is much different to ICE cars though, especially if it’s something decent or special.
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Its not but there is a much bigger choice and you do have the option of going older to spend less with ICE. My lass is currently looking for a runaround with a budget of £10k. That means she is having to look at 2015/16 cars which is quite frankly ridiculous as the type of care she is after was only ever £25k to £30k when new.

If you were looking for a second hand EV with a £10k budget, your options are even more limited.

But same applies to ICE, there are good reasons to buy new if you can wait or get lucky on your build. I got an X5 discounted by £8k from £80k to £72k and only had to wait 4 months for it but one year old ones with up to £10k miles were more than £72k. Whats the point in buying one of them?
 
Jonnycoupe said:
Exeter services about to have the 12x 350kW chargers working, this is a big shift in options for travelling to the South West, the exisiting 3 near the services (slower) will also remain.
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That's a massive leap from where it currently is. Still need much more than that though.
 
SDK^ said:
That's a massive leap from where it currently is. Still need much more than that though.
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I still stand by that 24x150kw would be more useful for more people though.

I’ve seen all 24 chargers at Rugby completely full which just goes to show that if you build it, they will come.
 
Diagro said:
Why do you say that?

Because i have a point of view that apposes people who already own a EV?

I'd like to own one.
Happily go out and buy a new Tesla tomorrow.. or a second hand one...

But financially, it wouldn't make sense. That's the issue here, not that they are better for the environment, or better for reducing fossil fuel use... The issue is that they don't make enough financial sense to most of the populous.

We have Tesla Model S's in the family, I love to drive them when I get the chance. BUT.. those are 100% free to charge.. so it makes sense lol
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I've saved a shed load over the last 6 years driving an EV. But, you're right, times are changing and a lovely new 40k EV isn't going to save you any money. The same way a £100k Model S (with 'free fuel') hasn't saved anyone any money.

If you consider plugging a car in when you get home to be too much of an inconvenience, an electric car is really not to you.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
I still stand by that 24x150kw would be more useful for more people though.

I’ve seen all 24 chargers at Rugby completely full which just goes to show that if you build it, they will come.
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Yeah I agree.
They are probably trying to future proof it but will these chargers still be going when the majority have 350kW capable cars? Based on current charger reliability - probably not !
 
Greebo said:
Wasnt disputing that and my original post never specified EV. I was disputing your statement that new cars never make sense. Currently they do unless you are looking at 5 year old cars and older.
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Oh i see, still got to have £40k to spend to then not 'lose' doesnt seem to be the way i would approach saving money though! ANd if it financed you lose money on the interest.

Dispute re-disputed :)
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
I still stand by that 24x150kw would be more useful for more people though.

I’ve seen all 24 chargers at Rugby completely full which just goes to show that if you build it, they will come.
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Yeah Kempower load sharing is much better - much like Telsa with the DC power cabinets ffeding a pair of stalls.

To be fair Rugby is the same number of Gridserve chargers - 12. Issue is its a honey pot now as the main hub to aim for. I dont know if the M6 Corley Instavolts (7 one direction 8 the other) are ever that busy as people hang to faster Rugby?
 
SDK^ said:
Yeah I agree.
They are probably trying to future proof it but will these chargers still be going when the majority have 350kW capable cars? Based on current charger reliability - probably not !
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Yes I completely get the logic of putting in 350kw / 800v units but from my understanding the main difference between the 150kw and the 350kw units is additional power modules which can be added after the fact within the existing unit.

The biggest issue is getting power to the site, so assuming my understanding is correct, a larger number of lower power could be updated later when more power is available.

That said, the Kenpower system looks excellent as it doesn’t rely on individual charger stacks and all the plugs share power from the central power stack. That means you can put more plugs on the same supply as not all will be pulling the maximum power all the time. If they are all pulling the max power, they load share but that’s rare unless you overdo the number of plugs.


Jonnycoupe said:
Yeah Kempower load sharing is much better - much like Telsa with the DC power cabinets ffeding a pair of stalls.

To be fair Rugby is the same number of Gridserve chargers - 12. Issue is its a honey pot now as the main hub to aim for. I dont know if the M6 Corley Instavolts (7 one direction 8 the other) are ever that busy as people hang to faster Rugby?
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Rugby is also cheaper, that’s probably the driving force.

Most of the cars I’ve seen at rugby are barley capable of 150, let alone 350.
 
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