Ofcourse? Have you seen the roads lately? This isn't even the posh one, stick a Lotus badge on it and it'll be 100k+
When are you going fully electric?
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Not really sure why we are comparing a Volvo to a Porsche here? Not sure it’s really where people would go either for entry into EV. Sdk is this a polestar ‘lock in’ thing? It’s a completely different sized car and half a ton more.
When I said the polestar 2 was tiny in the back you said it didn’t matter to you. So why do you need a bigger car? Looks like a polestar2 performance is quicker?
I’d be buying an ipace over a polestar3. For its drive Dynamics rather than numbers game.
When I said the polestar 2 was tiny in the back you said it didn’t matter to you. So why do you need a bigger car? Looks like a polestar2 performance is quicker?
I’d be buying an ipace over a polestar3. For its drive Dynamics rather than numbers game.
This isn't a comparison to Porsche - it's coming from where Polestar aimed the pricing at for their future models in their 2021 Business plan presentation. Here is the slide.
As for why I want one - it’ll probably be the only time I can afford a fast luxury big SUV, so why not !!
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Every time I look at an electric car that's worth getting I see the price at 10x my current car.
And I think... Not any time soon. I'd say 5 years minimum. When am I going to have 30k sitting around when I have a 200k mortgage?
I'm not.
When are second hand electrics worth getting going to be 5k?
Not any time soon.
(note. I need a car with a decent amount of space.)
And I think... Not any time soon. I'd say 5 years minimum. When am I going to have 30k sitting around when I have a 200k mortgage?
I'm not.
When are second hand electrics worth getting going to be 5k?
Not any time soon.
(note. I need a car with a decent amount of space.)
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Nice.
Man of Honour
A good scientific and mathematical look at EVs by Dr Kipping.
For me until solid state batteries for EVs are common place, I doubt I will get an EV.
For me until solid state batteries for EVs are common place, I doubt I will get an EV.
Why does the specific battery technology matter?
You can already charge a current gen EV from 10-80% in about 18 minutes on existing tech. Thats adding 180ish miles of range after already driving 220+ miles which is around 6-8 hours of driving.
Man of Honour
Because it's several minutes as opposed to tens or minutes. And solid state batteries are lighter, last longer, smaller packaged and thus can be denser = More EV range as the technology gets more and more adopted.
As well as all that, solid state batteries are considerably safer. https://www.samsungsdi.com/column/technology/detail/56462.html?listType=gallery
Edit* Not forgetting being easier to recycle more efficiently (no need for liquid chemical separation stages...).
I see no point in getting an EV now (for me and at the current prices) only to then get another EV with solid state in say, 5 years time. I don't change cars every 2-3 years like some do. 8 years+ is fine by me, for the right vehicle.
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Conjecture.
Other than charging speed, none of that has a material benefit to you as the end user.
I'm sure someone will come along and correct me, but I'm not aware of anyone having a solid state battery on the cusp of going into mass production, let alone finding its way into a car.
Even if they bought a solid state battery pack to market that could in theory be re-charged in 5 minutes, you'll not actually be able to do it in reality because of the practical realities of power grid and the CCS connector. 9.6 minutes is the quickest that you can theoretically extract 56kwh (e.g. a 10-80% charge for a 80kwh pack) from a 350kw rapid charger. The DNO's are already having a mare connecting up 350kw chargers in any significant volume with most requiring battery buffers already, I can't see there being an appetite to go faster any time soon.
The main benefit of waiting 5 years will be choice but I wouldn't be making any bets that anything game changing will be happening in that time. I'd even argue that we don't need it to go any faster, we really need it to get significantly cheaper.
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Man of Honour
Even if it's just for the range of choice (and obviously cost significance) in 5 years then that's fine, but the infrastructure needs be there too. I don't want to have to plan out specific routes just to hit charging points along the way. At the moment the M3 gets me over 400 miles on a long run, 300 miles if I add some spirited driving into the mix. Until that's easily possible on an EV I just won't be interested. If you add spirited driving onto an EV the range drops even further as well. If I am to replace the fun, interactivity and drama of ICE, then the compromise of those losses by going EV need to be made up for in other ways, like superb range from a full charge, even with spirited driving.
There is a battery that was put into a Model S that gets 750 miles on a charge, something like that, or even 500 miles+ would definitely be interesting however and more than make up for the above stuff.
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There is a battery that was put into a Model S that gets 750 miles on a charge, something like that, or even 500 miles+ would definitely be interesting however and more than make up for the above stuff.
Our Next Energy tests 750-mile battery pack in a Tesla Model S - Charged EVs
A two-year-old Michigan startup, Our Next Energy (ONE), has built a custom battery pack that recently propelled a modified Tesla Model S for 752 miles. John Voelcker, writing in Car and Driver, reports that ONE retrofitted the car with a pack that stores twice the energy of Tesla’s original, and...
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Excellent science with stuff like that.
Man of Honour
Yet there are EVs that can be used for exactly that on a journey (obviously the range drops but still), go figure.
Man of Honour
I've had an i3 for a weekend, granted no sports car, but I have EV experience. But that's besides the point, you said you don't buy an EV for spirited driving, which is incorrect information, because you can and people do, and makers have models that do cover that.