When are you going fully electric?

mrk said:
Atkinson was an EV early adopter though, his article comes after all that experience.
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And what does that matter? It's purely an opinion piece yet he speaks as its fact. He even starts out about how credible he is so should believe him yet cites a debunked study
 
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If anyone’s heading to Heathrow on their holidays the Tesla supercharger in the car park of the Renaissance Hotel on Bath road has opened up to everyone.

It’s very close to pretty much all the major car parks at Heathrow.

I made that 24 opened up now, some of which are in very handy locations so it’s worth a look at the map.
 
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b0rn2sk8 said:
We are decades away from decarbonising existing uses for hydrogen, let’s concentrate on sorting that before trying to shoehorn it into passenger cars where other solutions which are better.
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this is the absolute truth of it imo. we use so much H2 at the moment in manufacturing, (like chemical stuff and steel) as well as in fertilizers and the majority is made from fossil fuel energy.

when all of the existing demand is green H2 and we have an over abundance of clean electricity there may be a conversation to have about what to do with all the excess energy .

but that is decades away yet. (being optimistic)
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
If anyone’s heading to Heathrow on their holidays the Tesla supercharger in the car park of the Renaissance Hotel on Bath road has opened up to everyone.

It’s very close to pretty much all the major car parks at Heathrow.

I made that 24 opened up now, some of which are in very handy locations so it’s worth a look at the map.
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have they extended the cable on these open Tesla charge points yet? I can just imagine the (somewhat justified) anger when a Tesla driver comes to charge and none Tesla owners are taking up all the spots by filling in 2 or maybe even 3 bays each (I haven't tried but I am told my ipace needs 2 spaces in a Tesla charge station)
 
bigmike20vt said:
have they extended the cable on these open Tesla charge points yet? I can just imagine the (somewhat justified) anger when a Tesla driver comes to charge and none Tesla owners are taking up all the spots by filling in 2 or maybe even 3 bays each (I haven't tried but I am told my ipace needs 2 spaces in a Tesla charge station)
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No. Only at 1 new location in the Netherlands has the new stall design with the long cables. More like that will come online in time. The planning lead times for a new site are significant so I expect we will see the older V3 (250kw, single shortish cable) stalls being deployed for some time still.

Just be sensible, either use the end stall if it’s available or park next to any other non tesla using the site whos charge port is on the ‘wrong side’ so you are not both blocking 1 stall each (using 4 total).

Ultimately it’s Tesla’s fault for not designing their stall to be more universal and opening up the network. V3 chargers are a bit better, the cable is a bit longer and way more flexible. The stalls are often between the bays rather than at the back which helps a lot with those with charge ports on the front wing (by far the worst placement IMO!).

The older V2 (150kw) stalls with the 2 cables are a bit of a pain for those with front wing charge port locations. The cable is thick, stiff and not very long.

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b0rn2sk8 said:
Ultimately it’s Tesla’s fault for not designing their stall to be more universal and opening up the network. V3 chargers are a bit better, the cable is a bit longer and way more flexible. The stalls are often between the bays rather than at the back which helps a lot with those with charge ports on the front wing (by far the worst placement IMO!).
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Nah it's Europe short sightedness to go with a "designed by community" solution.

The US EV manufactures have finally woken up to this after totally ignoring the Tesla solution which was freely offered as a better open standard and now they're likely to see the NACS dominate over time over there.
 
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bimbleuk said:
Nah it's Europe short sightedness to go with a "designed by community" solution.

The US EV manufactures have finally woken up to this after totally ignoring the Tesla solution which was freely offered as a better open standard and now they're likely to see the NACS dominate over time over there.
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???

Ignoring the NACS vs CCS debate

What has that got to do with length of cable and suitability for cars that have their charge port in other places? :confused:

edit: but please do enlighten us as to why the Tesla standard is better
 
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It’s tailored for a specific application, I don’t know how that makes it better or worse.

The cable and connector is certainly more elegant but relies on the car being able to switch between AC and DC on the charge cables inside the battery controller and related hardware. So you have to design for it, unlike CCS where there two power supplies are dedicated and separate.
 
Ford are signed up already and I think Chevy are also on board now for NACS.

NACS is better than CCS1 because of its size. 1 plug for all charging applications is probably easier for Joe Public to understand.

However, Type1 used in the USA can’t do 3 phase like type 2 so the Type2/CCS2 combo used over here is more capable than NACS despite its bulk. Either way NACS or CCS1, they just need to pick a single standard mandate it for everyone like CCS2 over here.

I disagree on the stall point though, that is Tesla’s fault. It’s very foreseeable that cars will have their ports in different locations. Cars like the Leaf, Zoe and the Ion have been around for as long as Tesla. It was going to be an obvious problem as soon as they decided to open it up, that said I do accept that was probably not the intention when it was first designed.
 
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Indeed, good point on 3 phase common in Europe, 80A charge as 19.2kW does get around the 3 phase “limitation” though. That said a lot of EU domestic will be 16A a phase anyway.
 
chanjy said:
Isn't it 110V in good old US of A
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No, every house has split phase 240V service.

b0rn2sk8 said:
Ford are signed up already and I think Chevy are also on board now for NACS.

NACS is better than CCS1 because of its size. 1 plug for all charging applications is probably easier for Joe Public to understand.
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It's a much nicer connector to use than CCS1 and the CCS public charging networks in the US are a disaster so I think GM joining the NACS/supercharger party is great news, it'll just allow Tesla to expand the network even further.
 
Minstadave said:
Be interested to know your thoughts, they're cheap on the NHS lease scheme but only the 2WD version IIRC.
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Mmmm... thoughts not that good to be honest. Got it at lunchtime and done 10 miles in it. Boring to drive, a typical dull suv ... it won't last. Brakes are shocking next to BMW's i've had last few years. I've got 201 miles showing on the battery, charging it the most exciting part of ownership so far. God help us.
 
Well, it's finally arrived. The car you all never knew you wanted, until you didn't have it, then you wanted it:

Welcome home:
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