When are you going fully electric?

FerretBoy said:
Tesla determines whether to turn on your brake lights based on your vehicle's rate of deceleration. So it's not linked to either pedal.
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Same as on the Kona (and I assume Nero) and the Honda-E. In the Kona's case it would also apply the brake lights when selecting anything above "tier 1" regen (Single Arrow) from the paddles.

My model 3 does the same as you note - and have confirmed when my wife has been following me in her car.

Main thing I miss from the Kona tbh, the paddles allowed that extra level of regen control when I wanted it or could just be left in auto and let it do its thing.
 
Yeah thats an immense range of specs and costs.

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New Volvo EX30 arrives at £33,795 with up to 298 miles of range | Autocar

Jeep Avenger rival drops instrument panel for Tesla-style, minimalistic layout and gives nods to sustainability
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In the UK, the EX30 will be offered with three powertrains and two different battery types. Entry-level Single Motor versions feature a rear-mounted 268bhp motor with a 51kWh lithium-iron-phosphate (LFP) battery. That chemistry, which is more cost-effective to produce, gives it a claimed range of 214 miles.

The Single Motor powertrain will also be offered in Extended Range form. Priced from £38,545, it uses with a 69kWh nickel-manganese-cobalt (NMC) battery, which extends the range to 298 miles, with a claimed efficiency of 4.0mpkWh.

That battery is also used in the top-spec Twin Motor Performance model, which adds a second, 154bhp electric motor on the front axle to give a combined output of 422bhp. That model is priced from £40,995 and offers a 286-mile range.

The entry-level LFP battery can be charged at a peak of 134kW, while the NMC models can accept charge at up to 153kW.
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quite small as well..... there is a chance my folks may be interested (the single motor long range version). they are the wrong side of 75 so want something easy to get in and out of, but something not too big (but not too small).

they also want something they can travel down to see me in (200 mile single way trip) without any range anxiety in if the charge points are all in use when they stop

so long as it has decent lane keeping and adaptive cruise for on the motorway, this car may tick a lot of boxes.
 
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Think I'd still consider a Jeep Avenger over this for a cheap small city car as it has things like buttons, a normal steering wheel and a driver info display, non of that everything on central screen rubbish but its specs are woeful in comparison.....that said, with a Volvo you won't be able to use all of its performance anyway, mine hits its 112mph speed limiter before it completes a quarter mile :rolleyes: Silly thing :D
 
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That EX30 looks great for the price. Decent car with 69kWh battery for £38k and fairly reasonable charge rate on an ultra rapid. Wife loves the Born so we'll be stuck with the Born as our smaller second car for the forseeable though :p
 
Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
Your missing a few things imo
1) Scale. Those models were low volume niche products. And whilst the batteries were leased mainly from what I see they did one of three things, carried on leasing, bought the lease out, more recently went back for manufacturer reconditioning.
How many model 3s are sold per day now? Look at all the cars in scrappies now, that same volume will be reaching end of life, its just rather than ICE they will be EVs.

2) Value. There will remain a decent value in them for the recoverable materials. I don't think your ever going to see £100 banger EVs like you do with ICE because simply there will be a point before that that they will be worth more as storage batteries (for whatever process) or for reclamation cells/materials.

3) Scrappies as many exist today will struggle IMO. They are dealing with rubbish in a lot of cases, the only real value being the from trying to sell a few parts on, and then steel and a few other metals value.
These new larger scrappies are coming and IMO they will be perfect for feeding the trade for salvaged packs. With the packs becoming less simple bolt on and more integrated some disassembly will be needed, eg cut chassis in four places to get this pack, there and there to get the rest type of salvage. Again wherever the end use will be.
I don't see your average current scrappie crowbarring the cells out being able to compete.
So the

I see as far less of a realistic position towards the end of the EV life; and more, "Hi mate, I see you listed a won't run Tesla model 3 for £4k for spares or repair, I can offer £3.5k and send a trailer round to collect it"

I agree in regards battery packs, I have said for some time to me thats a better solution than built in packs. (there are some advantages with built in packs especially in regards where you can place them and it what layout) but for extended range a fast swap would be fine.
We swap out batteries in our Forklifts and VNAs at work in about 5 minutes and the new solution is fully automated. The industry however seems to be uninterested in that approach and with looks for many being as important as utility battery swaps would have to result in a slightly worse product.

Something will have to win out, there is going to be too much value left in on EVs to simply discard so then economics will take hold and IMO the cheapest model will be minimal strip down and then place lots of (say 20-30 cars worth) of identical batteries in a container and sell it as a say 1300kwh storage container. (with ticket original pack size being say more like 2500kwh say).

If you start stripping down the cells then you get variability as well, different tesla cells, almost certainly pouch type cells in future etc
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I'm sure a whole industry will form to handle the End of Life EVs we'll be swamped with at some point when the general populace moves on to the next saviour of personal transportation... Whatever that might be.

I just see that industry being there to deal with a problem rather than capitalising on an asset. The reason I say that is the same reason you gave... Scale. Yes, EV batteries may demand a high price at the moment because 'Fred in a shed' types looking to create an EV Caterham or home brew Powerwall out number the amount of packs available. That won't continue when EVs start hitting End of Life in six figure numbers every year. Therefore the value of the pack as is will drop, significantly, simply due to good old supply and demand.

I'm just thinking about the business model of that company putting those container based solutions together. They will want know quality and quantities of identical packs. That isn't going to be a thing in the long run because you have every manufacturer doing their own take on what an EV battery should be. Understandable from a business perspective but a bit of a disaster 15 years down the line. A thousand different ICE engines are dealt with in the same way, via the crusher and a cube of low quality metal plops out for recycling. EV batteries are going to need much more thinking about.
 
SDK^ said:
Sure - it’s a Golf / Focus sized SUV.
It’s meant to be smaller - get an EX90 if you need to lie down on the rear floor :p.
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Yea, that's my point.
Not sure it's that much of a bargain when a Golf starts off less and the Golf R is a similar price to the Volvo's "hot" version.
Interior looks on par with Tesla's attempts...

Edit: It's definitely competitive though.
 
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AndrewNR said:
Yea, that's my point.
Not sure it's that much of a bargain when a Golf starts off less and the Golf R is a similar price to the Volvo's "hot" version.
Interior looks on par with Tesla's attempts...

Edit: It's definitely competitive though.
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A Golf R is £44k and Tiguan R is £50k, plus options. A Golf R with the options to match the Ultra EX30 spec (£44k) is £49k
This Volvo undercuts both on performance, spec, price and it’s an EV [which supposedly (should) cost more]
 
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SDK^ said:
A Golf R is £44k and Tiguan R is £50k, plus options.
This Volvo undercuts both on performance, spec, price and it’s an EV [which supposedly (should) cost more]
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Is there really much in it between this and a Golf R; undercuts is a bit of a strong term to use?
0-60 3.6 v 3.9 or so
Spec? No idea, the Golf looks better inside that's for sure
Price 41k v 44k...depends on the residuals/monthlies I guess...obviously it'll be cheaper to run the EV

For me if I had to choose I'd definitely have to drive them; not a clear winner (unless you're doing 10k+ miles a year I guess, then the savings may sway it)
 
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