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OR turn phone sideways. 
When are you going fully electric?
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u ok hun?
Given most people with home charging should need to public charge a handful of times a year, I would not get too concerned about it.
That said I have a Tesla so even less concerned, given their super charger prices are on par with home, day charging.
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A bit cheaper? Tesla has time of use pricing but even at its most expensive, its nearly half the price of the most expensive stations at the moment. I paid 39p/kwh during the day a few weeks ago.
Edit: Charge networks could be locked into expensive supply contracts they signed at the height of the energy crisis and there may not be anything they can do about it. The alternative is that they know the market seems to be bearing it at the moment so why not make a bit more money while people are willing to pay.
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I think they're always going to be high tbh, just like service station petrol prices. It really shouldn't matter too much because vast majority destination charge
This.
If the alternative is that there is no investment in public rapids because it's not economical viable, then I'll take expensive but available charging when I NEED it every single time.
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Mfg has introduced an off peak rate now. 69p still high!
Sucks for people on the road for their job though. My overnight stops still either don't have any charging or have a token effort 7kW job on a first come first served basis. Or in other words, one that can't be relied upon. Our customers VERY rarely have a charger on site and even less frequently in a situation where I could conveniently use it while on site.
That would leave me claiming back hundreds of miles a month that probably cost me in the region of 20p/mile (or more?) at the HMRC rate of 9p/mile.
I was hoping that things would improve in line with the number of EVs on the road but while people are still happy to buy them, and judging by the numbers I'm seeing in my area that is very much the case, where is the push to improve infrastructure? If there is no push (ie. government incentives / funding) then it only leaves a financial incentive to bother putting them in... and that comes at a cost which will want to be recouped as quickly as possible before becoming a revenue generating mechanism.
Luckily (?) for me my employer has no intention of going EV for the foreseeable future
Which is ironic considering the sector we are in.
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I hope they introduce a law where all 'main road' petrol stations must have high power electric chargers as well.
We need to get to a state where you can use an EV in virtually the same way as an ICE - in that you can just pull into any service station and know that there will be fuel available.
We need to get to a state where you can use an EV in virtually the same way as an ICE - in that you can just pull into any service station and know that there will be fuel available.
Hotels will hopefully soon start realising that if they don’t have a large bank of chargers in their car parks, they’ll go bankrupt. Many just see it as yet more hassle at the moment.
7kw chargers are more than fine for a hotel setting, even if they load shared.
What they fail to realise is the potential revenue they could be generating from having their own chargers in their car parks. There is absolutely profit to be made here from a fairly captive audience. It’s bizarre how so many just seemingly ignore it.
7kw chargers are more than fine for a hotel setting, even if they load shared.
What they fail to realise is the potential revenue they could be generating from having their own chargers in their car parks. There is absolutely profit to be made here from a fairly captive audience. It’s bizarre how so many just seemingly ignore it.
Yeah, the last hotel I stayed at I made clear in my review that they were losing a star due to lack of chargers, and pointed out that there was a competing hotel less than 1/4 mile away who DID have one...
Like you say, a row of 7kw posts aren't that expensive (relatively), and would soon pay for themselves!
The logistics don’t work. A petrol station forecourt is not the place for proper charging hubs. Sure a token one or two looks nice but that’s never gonna match the throughput of 12-16 fuel pumps.
Plus you need the power there.
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indeed. I would rather have them near supermarkets and leisure centres and what not so I can plug in and go and get on with my day. these wouldn't even need to be incredibly fast (50kwh would be nice) (far better Sainsbury's had 14 X 50kwh charge points than 2x350kwh ones)
then leave the mega fast ones for off major trunk roads.
hopefully a decade from now it will be moot. we will all have solid state batteries with genuine 400 mile range on a cold day on the motorway, but untill then..............
(our Tesco's has them... either 2 or 4 I think).. they used to be free and that was fine I guess. but I *think* they are only 7kwh. pretty pointless really ESP now you pay for them. I guess that they could cover your power used to do your shop over 40 mins or so but you are not gonna get a meaningful charge off them without hogging the parking space for hrs. (I am not sure but I don't even think they support 11kwh AC)
then leave the mega fast ones for off major trunk roads.
hopefully a decade from now it will be moot. we will all have solid state batteries with genuine 400 mile range on a cold day on the motorway, but untill then..............
(our Tesco's has them... either 2 or 4 I think).. they used to be free and that was fine I guess. but I *think* they are only 7kwh. pretty pointless really ESP now you pay for them. I guess that they could cover your power used to do your shop over 40 mins or so but you are not gonna get a meaningful charge off them without hogging the parking space for hrs. (I am not sure but I don't even think they support 11kwh AC)
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I disagree. The forecourts are already in the locations that fuel is needed. Getting power there is a challenge, but one we need to overcome before EV's go mainstream in a few years. Forecourts will need to get bigger to accommodate cars charging.
Fortunately, it seems some garages are starting to make the move. Our local MFG station has expanded their forecourt and installed a bank of fast chargers - and investing in many more.
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This is what's needed for proper EV adoption.
A lot of forecourts are in supermarkets. Not really the right location for fast charging. You need something for people to do when charging but you also need land.
Anyway we will see. Destination chargers are the answer in my view. Anyone doing big miles with filling on route will be hard pushed to move away from diesel without legislation forcing them (cost and time to fill)
Anyway we will see. Destination chargers are the answer in my view. Anyone doing big miles with filling on route will be hard pushed to move away from diesel without legislation forcing them (cost and time to fill)
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